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Germany has stockpiled enough gas to make it through the winter even without further mitigation measures. (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 3 years ago by dekachin 3 years ago by dekachin +9 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

You replied with an obsolete op-ed

Didn't know all problems were solved in the past few weeks.

A few cherry picked quotes of panic do not refute the fact that Germany's stockpile is already fully supplied for the winter.

The 'stockpile', even if 100% filled, would not be nearly enough to fulfill Germany's energy needs.

The prices of natural gas spiked from July to August as EU countries went on a buying frenzy to fill their stockpiles for the winter. However, with their stockpiles now full, the price has dropped precipitously and continues to fall. Here is proof:

Dude, commodity prices are not the same as the prices charged to consumers (and producers). The latter is still going up despite falling commodity prices. Everyone is complaining about it, inflation is at absolutely dizzying heights unknown since World War II, companies are going out of business daily.

It's an absolute mess, and you are the "this is fine" cartoon. Or rather, it is fine for you. You're not waging a proxy war against your primary supplier of energy. So maybe you are Leslie Nielsen saying everything's fine. Let them suffer for my empire.

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– dekachin [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

The 'stockpile', even if 100% filled, would not be nearly enough to fulfill Germany's energy needs.

It 100% would. My source proved that with facts. At current usage and export levels, the existing stockpile will not even drop below 45%. If you have contrary evidence based on current stockpile levels and usage levels, I'd be happy to review it, but your baseless opinion doesn't mean anything.

Dude, commodity prices are not the same as the prices charged to consumers (and producers). The latter is still going up despite falling commodity prices.

Do you have any evidence or links or am I supposed to just take your word for it? Prices have in fact begun to come down in September after rising in August, and this is true of retail cost as well as commodity prices. Some people are complaining and the prices are still elevated, but this has to do with many factors and is outside the scope of the point I'm making ITT.

It's an absolute mess, and you are the "this is fine" cartoon.

Again, no. You're bringing up irrelevancies that have nothing to do with my simple, singular point. If you would like to know my point, refer to thread title.

You're not waging a proxy war against your primary supplier of energy.

Russia is not Germany's primary supplier or energy, or actually any kind of supplier at all. Germany stopped oil imports from Russia by April. and stopped reduced natural gas in late August. The chart shows that Germany has simply replaced russian imports with other sources. Source

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– AntonioOfVenice 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

At current usage and export levels, the existing stockpile will not even drop below 45%.

That is assuming continuous imports. Do you not know what percentage of energy usage the stockpile would cover?

Prices have in fact begun to come down in September after rising in August, and this is true of retail cost

Is it?

Again, no. You're bringing up irrelevancies that have nothing to do with my simple, singular point. If you would like to know my point, refer to thread title.

'Make it through the winter' could mean literally anything. As long as Germany doesn't collapse into Trizonia or something, then you'll say: hey, its GDP declined by 10%, unemployment is at 15%, but the state still exists.

Russia is not Germany's primary supplier or energy, or actually any kind of supplier at all. Germany stopped oil imports from Russia by April. and stopped reduced natural gas in late August. The chart shows that Germany has simply replaced russian imports with other sources. Source

  1. This is oil.
  2. The chart starts in Jan 2022, when Putin had already reduced gas supplies as he had done throughout 2021. And even there, you can see that it's either the largest or one of the two largest.
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