It's bad form to bring up issues you have with people on unrelated threads.
But alright, I'll bite. Just because you managed to convince yourself that Ukraine is pure and saintly, doesn't mean everyone else has to. In fact, Western-backed "human rights" organizations and media have pointed out Ukraine's targeting of civilian areas in Donetsk - which they continued without a hitch as soon as Russia started the war.
There was also nothing to "continue" after Russia "started" (resumed) the war. Just go back to Patrick Lancaster's channel and see all the parades in Donetsk after February, and the frontlines (just outside the city, including in the suburbs) practically didn't change and they're still in artillery range of every kind and caliber (plus missiles, and aircraft). They're being hit there by artillery and missiles alright (notably with HIMARS), but it's never on these crowded parades (crowds of soldiers, but also crowds of civilians) or anything remotely civilian, but just on purely military targets. The only mass casualty event was from fragments of a shot down missile.
If they only wanted, they could easily massacre hundreds or even thousands (including many soldiers, and even top commanders and other leaders) during any of these parades and other mass events (both nowadays and during all these years). Again, look at these parades. This is your "human shields" right there. And it works, makes these crowds of troops and leaders untouchable.
But you for some reason came to believe the silly lie according to which they target and "terrorize" the civilians in particular. Just because someone lied to you on the internet. Or was it also Russian mass media? Or was even Putin personally?
Just like he personally lied to Oliver Stone when he showed him the famous American footage from Afghanistan as a Russian footage from Syria. Makes just you as guilible this demented boomer. Sad. (But would be funny if you got your "info" from Stone, too. He's made a "documentary" about it, I heard.)
So, who was it who easily convinced you so about something that never happened? Please, tell me.
It's not "pure and saintly" (they're just humans), but there was nothing to "point out" after February 2015 when large battles (offensives by either side, and there were only Russian ones after August '14) ended and there was only low level hostilities in the trenches, occasionally and less and less (and practically nothing since Zelensky was elected, no one on either side killed or injured on an average day). These are the facts.
Maybe actually go and check out what "Western-backed "human rights" organizations and media have pointed out" for 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, because you just didn't.
The last big attack on a civ area outside of battle (and the last battle was for Debaltsevo ending in Feb '15, and it wrecked the city) was when the Russians rocketed Mariupol in January of that year just as they officially ended the Minsk-1 ceasefire (to attack Debaltseve full-scale): https://press.un.org/en/2015/sgsm16485.doc.htm (there was no revenge attack for that, and there were no such incidents after 2015 at all.
It's bad form to bring up issues you have with people on unrelated threads.
But alright, I'll bite. Just because you managed to convince yourself that Ukraine is pure and saintly, doesn't mean everyone else has to. In fact, Western-backed "human rights" organizations and media have pointed out Ukraine's targeting of civilian areas in Donetsk - which they continued without a hitch as soon as Russia started the war.
Of course, I can't persuade you, because Poland.
There was also nothing to "continue" after Russia "started" (resumed) the war. Just go back to Patrick Lancaster's channel and see all the parades in Donetsk after February, and the frontlines (just outside the city, including in the suburbs) practically didn't change and they're still in artillery range of every kind and caliber (plus missiles, and aircraft). They're being hit there by artillery and missiles alright (notably with HIMARS), but it's never on these crowded parades (crowds of soldiers, but also crowds of civilians) or anything remotely civilian, but just on purely military targets. The only mass casualty event was from fragments of a shot down missile.
If they only wanted, they could easily massacre hundreds or even thousands (including many soldiers, and even top commanders and other leaders) during any of these parades and other mass events (both nowadays and during all these years). Again, look at these parades. This is your "human shields" right there. And it works, makes these crowds of troops and leaders untouchable.
But you for some reason came to believe the silly lie according to which they target and "terrorize" the civilians in particular. Just because someone lied to you on the internet. Or was it also Russian mass media? Or was even Putin personally?
Just like he personally lied to Oliver Stone when he showed him the famous American footage from Afghanistan as a Russian footage from Syria. Makes just you as guilible this demented boomer. Sad. (But would be funny if you got your "info" from Stone, too. He's made a "documentary" about it, I heard.)
So, who was it who easily convinced you so about something that never happened? Please, tell me.
It's not "pure and saintly" (they're just humans), but there was nothing to "point out" after February 2015 when large battles (offensives by either side, and there were only Russian ones after August '14) ended and there was only low level hostilities in the trenches, occasionally and less and less (and practically nothing since Zelensky was elected, no one on either side killed or injured on an average day). These are the facts.
Maybe actually go and check out what "Western-backed "human rights" organizations and media have pointed out" for 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, because you just didn't.
The last big attack on a civ area outside of battle (and the last battle was for Debaltsevo ending in Feb '15, and it wrecked the city) was when the Russians rocketed Mariupol in January of that year just as they officially ended the Minsk-1 ceasefire (to attack Debaltseve full-scale): https://press.un.org/en/2015/sgsm16485.doc.htm (there was no revenge attack for that, and there were no such incidents after 2015 at all.
You were fooled. What now?