Oh come on. My entire life, it's been perfectly acceptable for anybody to blame white people and Christians for just about every social ill under the sun. But if someone suggests that maybe Jews are responsible for some social ills themselves, they're immediately Hitler.
Depends on who does it. If you're a leftist and attack Israel, that's perfectly fine. Hell, you can even put Ivanka Trump on the frontpage of your "paper" and call her a "ghoul" You can also criticize any Jewish donor to GOP causes.
You cannot get in the way of the woke/establishment agenda though.
Besides, compare how criticism of Judaism plays vs. criticism of Islam.
It's perfectly acceptable to acknowledge that Jews are disproportionately very wealthy (if it's an exercise in singing the praises of Jewish contributions the world), and it's perfectly acceptable to accuse wealthy people of exerting unfair influence on governments, but to suggest that maybe Jews use their disproportionate wealth to influence governments makes you Hitler.
Because then your motive is racial. It's like you would not mind people saying that whites are richer than blacks, and that it's bad that wealthy people exercise disproportionate influence, but if you say that "white people use their wealth to influence governments", it sounds like you have a bizarre racial agenda. And people who say that do.
Yes, you'll come back with "but the Jews aren't actually the ones that silence the dissent!" and I'll roll my eyes and move on.
Of course there are. But the only Jews whom you can't criticize are those who are on the left.
It's like you would not mind people saying that whites are richer than blacks
I'm not making that argument. I'm describing specifically leftist arguments where it's perfectly ok to bitch about white people (collectively, as a whole) but not ok to bitch about Jews (collectively, as a whole) without being Hitler. Trying to play gotchas with the internal contradictions of the victim oppression hierarchy is just deflection. It's ok to criticize Israel specifically for oppressing the poor Palestinians, but blame the state of Israel for a false flag attack or stealing technology and go directly to Hitler.
Of course, if you do want to get into that, and play the stupid "oppression" game... Fine, I can play devil's advocate. I'd speculate that Jews are demonstrably more nepotistic than non-Jewish white people in general and that accounts for a lot of the types of positions that account for vast wealth accumulation, whereas nepotism isn't driving admittance into the middle class tradesman's lifestyle of your average middle-class white person. But if we're restricting any possible alternative factors then I guess we're in feminist "wage gap" argument territory and I'll just roll my eyes again and walk away.
Personally, I think people should be free to bitch about whoever they want for whatever reason and the response to the crazies should be, "eh, maybe, but prob'ly not." But we clearly don't have that.
I'm describing specifically leftist arguments where it's perfectly ok to bitch about white people (collectively, as a whole) but not ok to bitch about Jews (collectively, as a whole) without being Hitler.
OK. But this applies equally to every group other than whites, men, heterosexuals - their betes noirs. You can't even bitch about Asians, and they get screwed over bigly by the wokies.
It's ok to criticize Israel specifically for oppressing the poor Palestinians, but blame the state of Israel for a false flag attack or stealing technology and go directly to Hitler.
It's OK to criticize Israel if you're from the left. It's not OK to criticize Israel if you're from the right. It's as simple as that. It's hierarchy.
I'd speculate that Jews are demonstrably more nepotistic than non-Jewish white people in general
It's not really speculation. Any tightly knit community will look like that. E.g. Sowell describes how Jewish traders sometimes avoided contract and lawyer costs by trading without contracts, due to the trust that existed between them. Of course you're going to trade with a fellow Jew whom you (at least think you can) trust rather than with an outsider.
and that accounts for a lot of the types of positions that account for vast wealth accumulation
That wealth has to exist in the first place though. It didn't come dropping out of the sky. Same with the wealth of the overseas Chinese. They are the ones who created that wealth.
Personally, I think people should be free to bitch about whoever they want for whatever reason and the response to the crazies should be, "eh, maybe, but prob'ly not." But we clearly don't have that.
Just search FIRE's website, and you can find more.
Of course you're going to trade with a fellow Jew whom you (at least think you can) trust rather than with an outsider.
If they consider us outsiders, maybe we should start returning favor eh?
I think it's a diversion.
How so? The discussion on Jews just falls under the umbrella of what it means for white countries to become multi-ethnic and/or multicultural, just as discussions on black crime, for example, do.
Whites have a right to discuss our future. White Americans and many Europeans face a precarious demographic situation. We need to be discussing how this happened to us, what challenges we will face going forward, and what we are going to do to survive through it. These are the most important questions for white people in every country facing the demographic cliff.
This discussion is going to happen whether "anti-idpol" people (who nearly, down to every last man, are Zionists who support Jewish idpol despite their fraudulent self-disgnation) want it to or not. Maybe not here, maybe not now, but the question, "what is to become of white Americans (or British, etc.)?" will be answered, and it will be white people answering it, even if our numbers dwindled quite badly before enough of our own get off the bench and into the game.
You can get on board or get the fuck out of the way.
Consider? Not particularly impressive influence in a Jew-heavy state like New York.
If they consider us outsiders, maybe we should start returning favor eh?
See, you won't, because that won't work. Not until whites are a tightly knit community, as they are in South Africa. I'm 10,000% sure that whites in South Africa would rather trade with each other than with other groups.
This discussion is going to happen whether "anti-idpol" people (who nearly, down to every last man, are Zionists who support Jewish idpol despite their fraudulent self-disgnation)
I'm anti-IDPol, and yes, I'm a Zionist (believe that Israel has a right to exist). I support Israel's right to keep outsiders out, and I support my own country keeping outsiders out, and yours if it so desires.
You can get on board or get the fuck out of the way.
I'm just going to roll my eyes here. I'm not religious, and the quote isn't exact, but I'll just say, "by its fruits shall you know it."
Yes, technically people would probably look at you funny if you started ranting about a global cabal of gays or Buddhists that were running the world for their benefit, but they probably wouldn't just assume that you're Hitler.
I'm not going to continue on the other threads because they're so far off topic. I do find your agreement with the JQ-types to be surprising though.
Yes, technically people would probably look at you funny if you started ranting about a global cabal of gays or Buddhists that were running the world for their benefit, but they probably wouldn't just assume that you're Hitler.
I think Jews are more sensitive about it, because "Jews control the world" as specified in the forged Protocols has long been used as a reason to attack and persecute them.
If someone said that Buddhists control the world, I'd call him a crazy. If someone said that about white men, I'd think he's a crazy bigot.
I'm not going to continue on the other threads because they're so far off topic. I do find your agreement with the JQ-types to be surprising though.
Depends on who does it. If you're a leftist and attack Israel, that's perfectly fine. Hell, you can even put Ivanka Trump on the frontpage of your "paper" and call her a "ghoul" You can also criticize any Jewish donor to GOP causes.
You cannot get in the way of the woke/establishment agenda though.
Besides, compare how criticism of Judaism plays vs. criticism of Islam.
Because then your motive is racial. It's like you would not mind people saying that whites are richer than blacks, and that it's bad that wealthy people exercise disproportionate influence, but if you say that "white people use their wealth to influence governments", it sounds like you have a bizarre racial agenda. And people who say that do.
Of course there are. But the only Jews whom you can't criticize are those who are on the left.
I'm not making that argument. I'm describing specifically leftist arguments where it's perfectly ok to bitch about white people (collectively, as a whole) but not ok to bitch about Jews (collectively, as a whole) without being Hitler. Trying to play gotchas with the internal contradictions of the victim oppression hierarchy is just deflection. It's ok to criticize Israel specifically for oppressing the poor Palestinians, but blame the state of Israel for a false flag attack or stealing technology and go directly to Hitler.
Of course, if you do want to get into that, and play the stupid "oppression" game... Fine, I can play devil's advocate. I'd speculate that Jews are demonstrably more nepotistic than non-Jewish white people in general and that accounts for a lot of the types of positions that account for vast wealth accumulation, whereas nepotism isn't driving admittance into the middle class tradesman's lifestyle of your average middle-class white person. But if we're restricting any possible alternative factors then I guess we're in feminist "wage gap" argument territory and I'll just roll my eyes again and walk away.
Personally, I think people should be free to bitch about whoever they want for whatever reason and the response to the crazies should be, "eh, maybe, but prob'ly not." But we clearly don't have that.
OK. But this applies equally to every group other than whites, men, heterosexuals - their betes noirs. You can't even bitch about Asians, and they get screwed over bigly by the wokies.
It's OK to criticize Israel if you're from the left. It's not OK to criticize Israel if you're from the right. It's as simple as that. It's hierarchy.
It's not really speculation. Any tightly knit community will look like that. E.g. Sowell describes how Jewish traders sometimes avoided contract and lawyer costs by trading without contracts, due to the trust that existed between them. Of course you're going to trade with a fellow Jew whom you (at least think you can) trust rather than with an outsider.
That wealth has to exist in the first place though. It didn't come dropping out of the sky. Same with the wealth of the overseas Chinese. They are the ones who created that wealth.
I think it's a diversion.
Not really. Left-wingers who go after Israel face cancellation as well. For example: https://www.thefire.org/new-york-senate-reintroduces-bill-to-deny-student-organizations-funding-over-hate-speech-and-pro-bds-advocacy/
Just search FIRE's website, and you can find more.
If they consider us outsiders, maybe we should start returning favor eh?
How so? The discussion on Jews just falls under the umbrella of what it means for white countries to become multi-ethnic and/or multicultural, just as discussions on black crime, for example, do.
Whites have a right to discuss our future. White Americans and many Europeans face a precarious demographic situation. We need to be discussing how this happened to us, what challenges we will face going forward, and what we are going to do to survive through it. These are the most important questions for white people in every country facing the demographic cliff.
This discussion is going to happen whether "anti-idpol" people (who nearly, down to every last man, are Zionists who support Jewish idpol despite their fraudulent self-disgnation) want it to or not. Maybe not here, maybe not now, but the question, "what is to become of white Americans (or British, etc.)?" will be answered, and it will be white people answering it, even if our numbers dwindled quite badly before enough of our own get off the bench and into the game.
You can get on board or get the fuck out of the way.
Consider? Not particularly impressive influence in a Jew-heavy state like New York.
See, you won't, because that won't work. Not until whites are a tightly knit community, as they are in South Africa. I'm 10,000% sure that whites in South Africa would rather trade with each other than with other groups.
I'm anti-IDPol, and yes, I'm a Zionist (believe that Israel has a right to exist). I support Israel's right to keep outsiders out, and I support my own country keeping outsiders out, and yours if it so desires.
On board with what?
I'm just going to roll my eyes here. I'm not religious, and the quote isn't exact, but I'll just say, "by its fruits shall you know it."
Yes, technically people would probably look at you funny if you started ranting about a global cabal of gays or Buddhists that were running the world for their benefit, but they probably wouldn't just assume that you're Hitler.
I'm not going to continue on the other threads because they're so far off topic. I do find your agreement with the JQ-types to be surprising though.
I think Jews are more sensitive about it, because "Jews control the world" as specified in the forged Protocols has long been used as a reason to attack and persecute them.
If someone said that Buddhists control the world, I'd call him a crazy. If someone said that about white men, I'd think he's a crazy bigot.
What specific agreement?