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No, sorry, Ebonics is just a dialect of English, no more or less valid than any other dialect. It has rules, just like any other dialect. The problem is not that it's invalid, but that speaking it doesn't get you anywhere - there's no literature in Ebonics, nor can people understand you if you do speak it.
u don geddit
iz dey culcha
Well yeah, dialects differ. Doesn't make it not a dialect.
The fact that you know to use 'they' as a possessive, shows that it just has different rules, and that you know this.
It’s redneck culture from the South from many years ago that lingered on to today through them.
I completely agree that it is a dialect and has rules to an extent, the ‘to an extent’ part being that most people’s criticisms of those using it is that they aren’t actually saying anything, they’re just cursing and using slang to cover up that their speech has no content.
“Sheeeit, nigger! Bitch nigga fuck sheeeeit. Fuck ass bitch nigga.” A lot of what people say when they speak that way is basically that.
You can use it to say things of note, but nobody does, and it seems to have only developed to obscure the fact that someone has nothing to say.
And I completely agree with this.
I agree, but that is not due to the merits (or lack thereof) of the language. It's just more useful to speak a language that more people speak.
If everyone else spoke what is now Ebonics, and they spoke Standard English, they'd be better off switching to Ebonics.
this dialect showed up because they were too retarded to learn what they copied properly
not because iz dey culcha. none of them sat down and thought "well, to represent the black community better, i will now speak like an ape"
That's not how it works, mate. They copied the speech of the lower-class Southern overseers, who spoke like this because this was the dialect of the area they were from. No better, no worse, than standard English.
Just out of curiosity: why do you talk like an ape by not using 'ye' for the nominative instead of 'you'?
Did you not learn English properly?
I live in a southern state. We have a dialect. If our dialect was taught in schools as proper or valid, that would be retarded. And Mark Twain wrote stories using that dialect - in character speech, not the narrative. No one is teaching sentences like "y'all ain't gonna learn me how to talk proper" as proper grammar. Get that shit out of here.
Like I said, Ebonics should not be taught in schools, but that has nothing to do with validity. It, or a Southern dialect, or standard English, are no more or less 'valid' than the other ones.
You say that saying "y'all ain't" is absurd. Is it more absurd than saying "me am", which is what you're doing when you say "you are"?
The whole original point of calling it "ebonics" is that people started trying to teach it to school children in the 90s.
I think the advocates call it "African-American Vernacular English". Ebonics is the term used by opponents of teaching it.
Who gives a shit if it's "a dialect" or not? Congratulations, in your hurry to be contrary, you successfully discovered that the word "dialect" is broad, atechnical, and says exactly nothing about the utility or validity of noises that come out of peoples' face-holes. Have a cookie.
Not every jargon or patois is created equal, and sometimes the noises you make that are in a crude approximation of an actual language, make you sound like an ape-creature.
Crap, they're on to me.
What makes for 'validity'? That you speak the language as it was spoken in the political center of 18th century England? Or any other country? What makes Italian more 'valid' than Sicilian? What makes French more 'valid' than the old Gascon language?
I have already conceded that in the present situation, English is more useful than Ebonics, because of literature and the number of people who speak and understand it. But that does not make it better or more valid in an objective sense. Had Ebonics been the language of the center, you would regard what is now standard English as bizarre and sounding like an ape-creature.
Alright, so what makes an 'actual language'? I'm sure you'd sound like an ape creature to someone speaking Middle or Old English. Hell, you even use 'you' as the nominative instead of 'ye'!
Me sound like a caveman when doing that!
What is your motherfucking point? Are you just that in love with the sound of your fingers hitting the keyboard? I can't figure for the life of me figure out what on Earth your deal is with any of this, other than producing an argument out of nothing due to what I imagine must be extreme boredom and a large surfeit of free time.
So you begin an argument, lose it, and then ask "what the point" is?
Then there was the movement to get it taught in schools. Even Jesse Jackson was against that. My mom always told me that you can speak with your friends however you want but you will speak correctly under my roof.
Ask and ye shall receive.
I can haz downvotes?
LOL, you can.