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Shinzo Abe is pronounced dead .
posted 3 years ago by Telia 3 years ago by Telia +96 / -0

RIP Shinzo Abe

If you're a nationalist you get shot, is the message. Expect things to get really fucking awful from now on

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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Not Lee, but some hypothetical corrupt deposed Colonial governor who fled to London with stolen money after the independence but before the British invasion and never returned.

You talk like if he escaped some bloodbath. No one was killed, not any of his associates, or Berkut members or anyone, and they didn't even trash his home.

(Sashko was walking with an AKSU bullying various allegedly corrupt officials for internet videos, he too didn't kill anyone, they killed him later.)

Yeah, Zelensky shouldn't become a traitor. What a novel concept.

"American hegemonic ambitions" supported Yanukovych when they tried to salvage his presidency against the EU wishes ("fuck the EU!").

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Not Lee, but some hypothetical corrupt deposed Colonial governor who fled to London with stolen money after the independence but before the British invasion and never returned.

How would a colonial governor who remains loyal to the Crown be a traitor?

You talk like if he escaped some bloodbath. No one was killed, not any of his associates

He escaped a situation where he had no security and the 'demonstrators' could do whatever the hell they wanted with him. So if your theory is correct, why did he make a deal for new elections the very day before?

Yeah, Zelensky shouldn't become a traitor. What a novel concept.

lol, wut? Making peace with Russia makes you a 'traitor'? I hear the strangest things from you when the topic is Russia.

"American hegemonic ambitions" supported Yanukovych when they tried to salvage his presidency against the EU wishes ("fuck the EU!").

I mean, it was smart, because none of this would have happened but for the illegal seizure of power by the Maidan gang. Russia would have been equally unhappy, but it would not have had an excuse to intervene. Russian speakers unhappy over anti-Russian laws would have had to accept them as they came after actual elections, so probably no separatism either.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Traitor to the USA and the Patriots. And you know what I mean.

Again, nothing was happening to anyone. He just wanted to avoid prosecution and didn't forget to take "his" money with him, but somehow forgot to tell his supporters. They also regard him as a traitor and a coward, you know that?

Yeah, if it's how Petain "made peace". Or Lenin for that matter (also with the Germans).

It was legal seizure, they voted in the parliament. No, not under gunpoint like in Crimea.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Traitor to the USA and the Patriots. And you know what I mean.

I disagree. I do not see why a governor appointed to the Crown would have to be 'loyal' to a state made up on the spot. It makes far more sense to remain loyal to the Crown.

The Robert E. Lee analogy is far more apt, because there you see a far clearer case of dual loyalty to states he recognized - his own state, as well as the central state.

Again, nothing was happening to anyone.

You keep saying that, without accounting for the fact that this was because he fled for his life and dropped power on the floor as it were.

He just wanted to avoid prosecution and didn't forget to take "his" money with him, but somehow forgot to tell his supporters

So why did he make a peace agreement the very day before?

Yeah, if it's how Petain "made peace". Or Lenin for that matter (also with the Germans).

I mean, history vindicated Lenin's peace deal. It was a delusion to think that they were capable of continue fighting, and the Bolsheviks came to power promising 'peace' anyway. And they retook all the lost lands anyway, except Poland.

As for Petain, it's probably the only way out for Ukraine - except that the East will not be administered by the rump Ukrainian state.

It was legal seizure, they voted in the parliament.

After violently driving out the elected President. 'Parliament' only ratified a fait accompli - and then miraculously appointed Victoria Nuland's candidate for PM.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Lee fought in war, and even when he surrendered he didn't abandon his men and take Confedete treasure with him to Mexico or whatever.

It's more like, I don't know, Idi Amin fleeing to Saudi Arabia, except Amin first did escape several assassination attempts and also a lot of his people (including by the ethnic meaning of this word) have been killed as the regime collapsed. So this too not quite.

There was this famous American traitor general who defected to the Brits, except he continued to fight, just for them then. He was the one who defended Bunker Hill, the very battle from the American anthem.

He didn't flee for his fucking life. He fled for his liberty and wealth.

Poland, Baltic States, Finland, half of Ukraine, half of Belarus, the fuck you talk about? Dude.

Yatseniuk was Yankuvitch's own candidate.

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