I may be wrong but as far as I know the IQ rates increased dramatically do to education but now have been in decline.
Immigration can be a big factor, for example in Somalia the average IQ is 68. Even with hard core education that will not improve over 80, and 80 is a horrible IQ average to have.
I googled and did not double-checked this sources so take them with a grain of salt.
In the new study, the researchers observed IQ drops occurring within actual families, between brothers and sons – meaning the effect likely isn't due to shifting demographic factors as some have suggested, such as the dysgenic accumulation of disadvantageous genes across areas of society.
See, this quote makes me think that that source isn't super valid. We both agree that immigration from less developed countries will have an effect. My argument is just that western societies tend to promote increasing IQs even among low IQ immigrant groups, and I haven't seen much that would challenge that.
For some reason, this source is arguing that the average IQ drop isn't happening as a result of mass migration. Bullshit, obviously. That's like saying mass migration isn't effecting housing prices.
If the Flynn Effect is reversing, I would suspect it's not due to anything genetic, but due to the exposure of a population to authoritarianism, which basically conditions them not to think. It incentivizes obedience regardless of thought, and actively disencentivizes questioning and skepticism. It makes entire societies highly cynical and suspicious. I wonder if those teenagers had their early childhood development under the UK's "Winter of Discontent" or Sweeden's experiment with Socialism.
It's the same reason we think there was a 20% drop in IQ among young children due to mask wearing and lockdowns.
I'm not entirely convinced that we're seeing an overall average loss in IQ in the west, as these two studies are for two specific groups, in two specific places, at two specific times.
We are on the same page of sorts, there are more then one factor but immigration does account for a lot of it in my opinion.
The reason being the study of the 4 iq drop in France is before pandemic. And immigration was accelerated. While education clearly improves IQ I doubt it can increase very low IQs, especially when we are talking about first generation immigrants.
If immigration would stagnate then we would see an IQ increase do to education, but most likely it would still be lower then before immigration. We must also take in to account that mass immigration creates cultural groups inside a country that may not value education, this would lead to little to no IQ increase in those groups.
This not takin in to account other causes that would also lower the IQ. I have my own concerns with over-protecting children from negative emotions and allowing them to stay online for ridiculous amount of hours.
but the 100 iq is always adjusted to the average of the population, you notice iq dropping when there's a large influx of population, in couple years the population stabilizes and the lowered average iq becomes the new 100, unless they also keep track of the iq inflation over the years, you won't know if the population actually got smarter or just the new average dropped so low that people previously considered as midbrains are now considered as above average
The study is old so the IQ decline is probably higher now
Honestly, I doubt it. normally IQ rates go up in the west in general, even among immigrant groups.
I may be wrong but as far as I know the IQ rates increased dramatically do to education but now have been in decline.
Immigration can be a big factor, for example in Somalia the average IQ is 68. Even with hard core education that will not improve over 80, and 80 is a horrible IQ average to have.
I googled and did not double-checked this sources so take them with a grain of salt.
Decreasing IQ rates in developed countries: https://archive.ph/G70Dl
IQ of somalia that has a map of IQ distribution: https://brainstats.com/en/average-iq/somalia
See, this quote makes me think that that source isn't super valid. We both agree that immigration from less developed countries will have an effect. My argument is just that western societies tend to promote increasing IQs even among low IQ immigrant groups, and I haven't seen much that would challenge that.
For some reason, this source is arguing that the average IQ drop isn't happening as a result of mass migration. Bullshit, obviously. That's like saying mass migration isn't effecting housing prices.
If the Flynn Effect is reversing, I would suspect it's not due to anything genetic, but due to the exposure of a population to authoritarianism, which basically conditions them not to think. It incentivizes obedience regardless of thought, and actively disencentivizes questioning and skepticism. It makes entire societies highly cynical and suspicious. I wonder if those teenagers had their early childhood development under the UK's "Winter of Discontent" or Sweeden's experiment with Socialism.
It's the same reason we think there was a 20% drop in IQ among young children due to mask wearing and lockdowns.
I'm not entirely convinced that we're seeing an overall average loss in IQ in the west, as these two studies are for two specific groups, in two specific places, at two specific times.
We are on the same page of sorts, there are more then one factor but immigration does account for a lot of it in my opinion. The reason being the study of the 4 iq drop in France is before pandemic. And immigration was accelerated. While education clearly improves IQ I doubt it can increase very low IQs, especially when we are talking about first generation immigrants.
If immigration would stagnate then we would see an IQ increase do to education, but most likely it would still be lower then before immigration. We must also take in to account that mass immigration creates cultural groups inside a country that may not value education, this would lead to little to no IQ increase in those groups.
This not takin in to account other causes that would also lower the IQ. I have my own concerns with over-protecting children from negative emotions and allowing them to stay online for ridiculous amount of hours.
but the 100 iq is always adjusted to the average of the population, you notice iq dropping when there's a large influx of population, in couple years the population stabilizes and the lowered average iq becomes the new 100, unless they also keep track of the iq inflation over the years, you won't know if the population actually got smarter or just the new average dropped so low that people previously considered as midbrains are now considered as above average
It's definitely worse now, just look at how many more "refugees" they've brought in from the middle east and how incredibly inbred they are there.