I may be wrong but as far as I know the IQ rates increased dramatically do to education but now have been in decline.
Immigration can be a big factor, for example in Somalia the average IQ is 68. Even with hard core education that will not improve over 80, and 80 is a horrible IQ average to have.
I googled and did not double-checked this sources so take them with a grain of salt.
In the new study, the researchers observed IQ drops occurring within actual families, between brothers and sons – meaning the effect likely isn't due to shifting demographic factors as some have suggested, such as the dysgenic accumulation of disadvantageous genes across areas of society.
See, this quote makes me think that that source isn't super valid. We both agree that immigration from less developed countries will have an effect. My argument is just that western societies tend to promote increasing IQs even among low IQ immigrant groups, and I haven't seen much that would challenge that.
For some reason, this source is arguing that the average IQ drop isn't happening as a result of mass migration. Bullshit, obviously. That's like saying mass migration isn't effecting housing prices.
If the Flynn Effect is reversing, I would suspect it's not due to anything genetic, but due to the exposure of a population to authoritarianism, which basically conditions them not to think. It incentivizes obedience regardless of thought, and actively disencentivizes questioning and skepticism. It makes entire societies highly cynical and suspicious. I wonder if those teenagers had their early childhood development under the UK's "Winter of Discontent" or Sweeden's experiment with Socialism.
It's the same reason we think there was a 20% drop in IQ among young children due to mask wearing and lockdowns.
I'm not entirely convinced that we're seeing an overall average loss in IQ in the west, as these two studies are for two specific groups, in two specific places, at two specific times.
We are on the same page of sorts, there are more then one factor but immigration does account for a lot of it in my opinion.
The reason being the study of the 4 iq drop in France is before pandemic. And immigration was accelerated. While education clearly improves IQ I doubt it can increase very low IQs, especially when we are talking about first generation immigrants.
If immigration would stagnate then we would see an IQ increase do to education, but most likely it would still be lower then before immigration. We must also take in to account that mass immigration creates cultural groups inside a country that may not value education, this would lead to little to no IQ increase in those groups.
This not takin in to account other causes that would also lower the IQ. I have my own concerns with over-protecting children from negative emotions and allowing them to stay online for ridiculous amount of hours.
An authoritarian government that was highly meritocratic wouldn't be suffering from the IQ drop problem.
I agree, but you've missed the point, and in fairness, I didn't flesh it out fully like I have in other previous posts.
There is no authoritarian government that is highly meritocratic.
The very nature of an authoritarian system is to prevent meritocracy from supplanting the authority when the authority fails to be meritocratic. Meritocracy is wildly unstable at the highest echelons. Pick any sport for an example. It is exceedingly rare for someone who is so meritorious to win repeatedly and consistency at the highest possible position in any sport. They do, eventually, lose. Sometimes due to arrogance and overconfidence, sometimes because they pushed themselves to far to get where they are and can't endure, sometimes they lose down to sheer luck, but many times they lose because they were so successful at changing the game itself, that someone replicated their winning strategy and genuinely out-competed them.
Authoritarianism as a philosophy requires that you not challenge an authority that is dictating things in society, as it is asserted that they know best. A meritocratic philosophy assumes that the people at the top don't know best until they can prove it through competitive and constant displays of merit.
As such, the protectionism that Authoritarianism creates in society prevents authority from being challenged due to meritocratic challenges, and will even go so far as to disincentivize merit in order to protect the authority that is currently in place. Sometimes, this is simply referred to as "corruption", but typically, this is how an authoritarian system functions. Corruption and cronyism are an inherent aspect to Authoritarianism.
Leftism is a "Philosophy of War", (another thing I'm not going to expound too much on here) and as such, is inherently authoritarian when it seizes and maintains power. The 'corruption and cronyism' that come with it are not incidental, but are the primary method of maintaining that authority, and control over those institutions.
A non-Leftist Authoritarianism, let's say: a monarchy; is not exempt from this. In fact, it is highly likely that an absolute monarch will impose many highly authoritarian structures that disincentivize merit in order to protect themselves, so that the absolute power of their authority can't be challenged.
This type of authority is as you say literally training useless people.
They aren't totally useless, they are foot-soldiers to ensure the power of the authority. Their purpose is not towards generalized merit, but only into their service of the authority, regardless of whether the authority is right or wrong.
This is actually how Clown World develops. Everyone lies and participates in lies that maintain the power of the established order, no matter how far off from reality the established order is. That isn't relegated to Leftism alone, but all authoritarian systems that are in need of being torn down.
The more socialist policies that western countries implement the less people in western countries are forced to try to get ahead. This lack of trying will reduce IQs.
I 100% agree with this, and is what I would have said had I elaborated further about Leftism. Dependency systems propagate lower IQ. Socialism has additional effects like: hyper-sensitivity, magical thinking, poor nutrition, increased violence, and low-trust-societies that also promote low IQ's. Socialism is authoritarian, but it's also a slightly worse form of Authoritarianism.
Genetics are still a factor though but it's not the only factor. Why are many western countries becoming more like the above? Immigrants are a big reason for this.
Immigrants are only one tool in the kit of a Leftist. Remember that many Communist countries had strict bans on immigration or emigration. It was Socialism that founded the now discredited concept of "Autarkey" (a permanently and perfectly economically self-sufficient state that never requires outside trade).
Leftism itself is the actual core threat. I'd go a bit further and say Fabian Socialists specifically.
I may be wrong but as far as I know the IQ rates increased dramatically do to education but now have been in decline.
Immigration can be a big factor, for example in Somalia the average IQ is 68. Even with hard core education that will not improve over 80, and 80 is a horrible IQ average to have.
I googled and did not double-checked this sources so take them with a grain of salt.
Decreasing IQ rates in developed countries: https://archive.ph/G70Dl
IQ of somalia that has a map of IQ distribution: https://brainstats.com/en/average-iq/somalia
See, this quote makes me think that that source isn't super valid. We both agree that immigration from less developed countries will have an effect. My argument is just that western societies tend to promote increasing IQs even among low IQ immigrant groups, and I haven't seen much that would challenge that.
For some reason, this source is arguing that the average IQ drop isn't happening as a result of mass migration. Bullshit, obviously. That's like saying mass migration isn't effecting housing prices.
If the Flynn Effect is reversing, I would suspect it's not due to anything genetic, but due to the exposure of a population to authoritarianism, which basically conditions them not to think. It incentivizes obedience regardless of thought, and actively disencentivizes questioning and skepticism. It makes entire societies highly cynical and suspicious. I wonder if those teenagers had their early childhood development under the UK's "Winter of Discontent" or Sweeden's experiment with Socialism.
It's the same reason we think there was a 20% drop in IQ among young children due to mask wearing and lockdowns.
I'm not entirely convinced that we're seeing an overall average loss in IQ in the west, as these two studies are for two specific groups, in two specific places, at two specific times.
We are on the same page of sorts, there are more then one factor but immigration does account for a lot of it in my opinion. The reason being the study of the 4 iq drop in France is before pandemic. And immigration was accelerated. While education clearly improves IQ I doubt it can increase very low IQs, especially when we are talking about first generation immigrants.
If immigration would stagnate then we would see an IQ increase do to education, but most likely it would still be lower then before immigration. We must also take in to account that mass immigration creates cultural groups inside a country that may not value education, this would lead to little to no IQ increase in those groups.
This not takin in to account other causes that would also lower the IQ. I have my own concerns with over-protecting children from negative emotions and allowing them to stay online for ridiculous amount of hours.
I agree, but you've missed the point, and in fairness, I didn't flesh it out fully like I have in other previous posts.
There is no authoritarian government that is highly meritocratic.
The very nature of an authoritarian system is to prevent meritocracy from supplanting the authority when the authority fails to be meritocratic. Meritocracy is wildly unstable at the highest echelons. Pick any sport for an example. It is exceedingly rare for someone who is so meritorious to win repeatedly and consistency at the highest possible position in any sport. They do, eventually, lose. Sometimes due to arrogance and overconfidence, sometimes because they pushed themselves to far to get where they are and can't endure, sometimes they lose down to sheer luck, but many times they lose because they were so successful at changing the game itself, that someone replicated their winning strategy and genuinely out-competed them.
Authoritarianism as a philosophy requires that you not challenge an authority that is dictating things in society, as it is asserted that they know best. A meritocratic philosophy assumes that the people at the top don't know best until they can prove it through competitive and constant displays of merit.
As such, the protectionism that Authoritarianism creates in society prevents authority from being challenged due to meritocratic challenges, and will even go so far as to disincentivize merit in order to protect the authority that is currently in place. Sometimes, this is simply referred to as "corruption", but typically, this is how an authoritarian system functions. Corruption and cronyism are an inherent aspect to Authoritarianism.
Leftism is a "Philosophy of War", (another thing I'm not going to expound too much on here) and as such, is inherently authoritarian when it seizes and maintains power. The 'corruption and cronyism' that come with it are not incidental, but are the primary method of maintaining that authority, and control over those institutions.
A non-Leftist Authoritarianism, let's say: a monarchy; is not exempt from this. In fact, it is highly likely that an absolute monarch will impose many highly authoritarian structures that disincentivize merit in order to protect themselves, so that the absolute power of their authority can't be challenged.
They aren't totally useless, they are foot-soldiers to ensure the power of the authority. Their purpose is not towards generalized merit, but only into their service of the authority, regardless of whether the authority is right or wrong.
This is actually how Clown World develops. Everyone lies and participates in lies that maintain the power of the established order, no matter how far off from reality the established order is. That isn't relegated to Leftism alone, but all authoritarian systems that are in need of being torn down.
I 100% agree with this, and is what I would have said had I elaborated further about Leftism. Dependency systems propagate lower IQ. Socialism has additional effects like: hyper-sensitivity, magical thinking, poor nutrition, increased violence, and low-trust-societies that also promote low IQ's. Socialism is authoritarian, but it's also a slightly worse form of Authoritarianism.
Immigrants are only one tool in the kit of a Leftist. Remember that many Communist countries had strict bans on immigration or emigration. It was Socialism that founded the now discredited concept of "Autarkey" (a permanently and perfectly economically self-sufficient state that never requires outside trade).
Leftism itself is the actual core threat. I'd go a bit further and say Fabian Socialists specifically.