YouTuber Ethan Klein calls for bombing of NRA conference
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Even Russians (namely the DNR supreme comrade on Rassiya 1) quickly admitted it was debris from a shot down missile.
https://tass.com/emergencies/1421677
It's like when the Ukrainians hit a plane which exploded over Kiev on first night and caused a lot of damage just by that. https://youtube.com/watch?v=WGnwaK0z_e8
Similar situations occured in countless other places. In WWII many people were even killed on the ground by friendly anti-air fire. "Battle of Los Angeles" resulted in damage and casualties as they were shooting AAA at phantoms.
Very nice, but this was only one of the instances. It was also the avowed goal of the Ukrainian leaders.
"Our children will go to school and nursery school, and theirs will sit in basement!"
I could make the fatuous point that "if Putin had said this", but we both know that the corrupt tyrants in the West only pretend to care about their "human rights" when it is to their political benefit.
Which brings us back to the only thing that counts. Friend-enemy. Russia bombing Mariupol very bad. Ukraine bombing Donetsk very good.
Maybe compare how Donetsk (on any date, beyond the airport zone obliterated by both sides and the villages just to the west of it that the Russians destroyed) and Mariupol (now) look like. Aerial and sat photos, skylines, things like that. Or Mariupol on February 23 to the one just 3 months later (Donetsk airport went for 9 months and then it was for 7 years in these villages). Do it before making more dumbfuck attempts to equalize things.
Can we remain on good terms even while disagreeing?
As for equating, I'm not. Obviously, Russia has tons more firepower than the Kiev regime, and the situation is completely different as Ukraine never had any hope of retaking Donetsk. If there were an active offensive, and the DNR decided to use the city as a human shield like Azov did Mariupol (which I do expect), then I expect the city to be reduced to rubble to thunderous applause from the same people who professionally bemoan the fate of Mariupol.
So I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the West, who condemn the shelling of civilians and the use of cluster munitions only when it's their enemy doing and almost never their friend.
It's all about friends vs. enemies, nothing more.
Ukraine was on the brink of retaking Donetsk in August 2014 (advancing from all directions except the airport where they were holding waiting for the final push, even the link with Luhansk was severed) when the totally-not-Russian armored forces poured in across the border and destroyed a bunch of mostly police units at Ilovaisk, and the ceasefire began after the shock of this. Go see the maps between April and September.
Why do you say "Russia" and not "Moscow regime"?
The fuck you talk, "use the city as a human shield"? To defend it? Even Mariupol was defended in 2014, just the defense was broken in 1 day because the Russian city commandant "Chechen" (not really a Chechen, just a veteran of Chechnya) left them without command and they all broke and run/hid/surrendered (defeated by Azov who came armed with only rifles, grenades and machineguns with no military backup, there was no need for "firepower", just a daring raid in few dump trucks straight to the enemy HQ). Is the tardadion kicking in again? Get a fucking grip.
It wasn't "shelling of civilians" even according to the official Russian narrative, but feel free to continue sperging it in the years ahead (it was months ago, a single incident) for your beating-negros whatabboutry.
Here's the problem with this. Ukraine denies even firing the missile.
If there was a military target beyond Donetsk (which, why would there be, that isn't anywhere near the actual fighting) that the missile was going to strike, and Russia agreed they shot down the Tochka-U, then both parties would essentially come to reconciliation on the topic that it was just a shitty situation.
Even if the argument is made that Ukraine could just have every reason to lie about it, that they are lying suggests that the target actually was somewhere in Donetsk. Given the proximity of the missile debris to the blast zone, it wasn't traveling much farther than from where it was hit.
There are a plenty of military targets inside Donetsk.
What do you mean "actual fighting"? Are Russians not striking all over the country, since hour 1 and every day and night with planes and missiles? What the fuck is this thinking? Russian targets inside Russia were also attacked, as they should be. Fucking Moscow is full of targets, if only it could be only reached (Americans destroyed all of Ukrainian strategic forces decades ago - hundreds of strategic missiles and cruise missiles for heavy bombers along with the bombers themselves, not just the nuclear warheads). Vladivostok is full of targets.
You don't use AP cluster munitions on targets in a city.
Why did the Russians never had a problem with this until now all of sudden with a shameless hypocrisy? (And then continued it, and cluster firebombing, and FAE shelling.)
A FAE shelling of a city center: https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1528854337837215744
You probably never.even heard about this one, because it's so common and not an exception to sperg about months later.
A bunch of allied POWS died of starvation and typhus in camps because the allies kept on bombing German supply lines.
I believe there was an EU-sponsored peace agreement for early elections the day before he was violently overthrown.
BTW, what right does the EU have to want another country's leader removed? None. But they, like the Americans, go around the word pretending they have the right to rule it.
Yes, I am fully aware of the role that scum like Guy Verhofstadt played.
Ukraine is right on the border of the EU, not "around the world".