Organic can have chemical sprays too, but they're generally more controlled. However, to be safe, all produce should be soaked in baking soda for at least 15 minutes and washed off. It doesn't remove everything, as chemical sprays can leach deeper into the produce than what the baking soda can neutralize, but it can remove most of it. The safest bet will always be to grow your own produce.
Given that you're intentionally trying to throw off the conversation, it still led to a constructive outlet for information sharing. Thanks.
Want me to send you a list of the pesticides, FDA approved!
I've already researched these counterarguments, but sure. Post away.
[edit reply, because RealDrJester is a subversive Jew who probably gets paid per reply]
His posted link contains simple chemical compounds which can be used to fight off pests and replenish nutrients in the soil, and almost all of which are soluble in water and broken down by soil microbes. Almost all of the chemicals listed in his link are familiar to anyone that took high school chemistry. The "toxicity classification" is hilarious too, because it sounds alarming to anyone unfamiliar to how MSDS are written. All side effects must be labelled, and if improperly handled or used, can result in these side effects. However, these side effects are dependent upon exposure and magnitude. The link RealDrJester provided doesn't give this info about exposure, to make it sound more alarming to people unfamiliar with this. I could just as easily list side effects of dihydrogen monoxide, sodium chloride, or sodium bicarbonate exposure to ring alarm bells for the foolish, but most people familiar with basic chemistry and MSDS would know how funny it would be.
For example, ancient peoples (and many modern organic farmers) used bone meal/flour to fertilize their fields to replenish phosphorus, nitrogen, and other nutrients. However, bone meal is toxic if ingested, but perfectly safe to use as fertilizer. If it were listed on RealDrJester's link, going by the same rules, it would only be listed as "toxic" or "highly toxic".
Since organic sprays brake down quickly in the environment, almost zero residue is left on the produce, and if there is any left, it can easily be soaked, scrubbed, and rinsed off. Even so, the residues of organic sprays, given that they're all simple and naturally derived chemical compounds (all of which contain nutrients our body can use or discard easily), in the small amounts present they wouldn't hurt us. Non-organic sprays don't brake down easily in the environment, and can persist for a long time. Furthermore, even very small amounts of some of the non-organic sprays can have serious delirious health effects, especially over time. Glyphosate is the most famous one, causing cancer, celiac disease, Parkinsons, and lots more. "Studies" found it to be safe, but those studies are often funded by institutions and government entities that are thoroughly corrupted.
Here's a short link on the differences in sprays. Here's a good link on why organic is better. Here's a link on the allowed and prohibited substance use in organic farming, and when they're allowed to be used.
[2nd edit reply. RealDrJester has confirmed he's not only stalking my account, but watching all of my comments for edits, in addition to replies. I find this quite funny. You can spot this guy's kvetching from outer space. He's also telling the goys to consume the glyphosate, claiming it's perfectly fine, using sources that are easily debunked. A jew arguing for mainstream "$science", how stereotypical.]
Joseph D. Rosen, emeritus professor of food toxicology at Rutgers, puts it even more strongly. "Any consumers who buy organic food because they believe that it contains more healthful nutrients than conventional food are wasting their money," he writes in a comprehensive review of organic nutritional claims13.
Further analysis of similar studies on livestock products like meat, dairy, and eggs also found few differences in nutritional content. Organic foods did, however, have higher levels of overall fats, particularly trans fats. So if anything, the organic livestock products were found to be worse for us (though, to be fair, barely).
. But factory organic farms use their own barrage of chemicals that are still ecologically damaging, and refuse to endorse technologies that might reduce or eliminate the use of these all together. Take, for example, organic farming's adamant stance against genetically modified organisms (GMOs).
For example, organic farmers apply Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) toxin (a small insecticidal protein from soil bacteria) unabashedly across their crops every year, as they have for decades. It's one of the most widely used organic pesticides by organic farmers. Yet when genetic engineering is used to place the gene encoding the Bt toxin into a plant's genome, the resulting GM plants are vilified by the very people willing to liberally spray the exact same toxin that the gene encodes for over the exact same species of plant. Ecologically, the GMO is a far better solution, as it reduces the amount of toxin being used and thus leeching into the surrounding landscape and waterways.
And rodale institute? This makes me wonder why shouldn't I quote Monsanto website...
You like to be WRONG all the time, don't you?
EVERY.
SINGLE.
TIME.
You are wrong. I see your opinion, 99% change it is wrong. Funny who you preferred to edit your reply and no write to me. Were you afraid I would do exactly what I just did and destroy your shitty argument? Subversive lying sack of shit. You bumbling idiotic mouth breathing moronic retard. I am certain now that you are an inbred who needs help tying your shoes in the morning. Since you stormcucks all know is project.
EDIT: More evidence of safety of Glyphosate. Apex is one of the most dishonest, shady and shitty stormcuck I have ever had the displeasure in meeting. He is the type of a salesman that will sell you a large 8 slice pizza, and give you a petri-dish sized pizza with 5 slices and no cheese.
Tomlin, C. D. S. The Pesticide Manual: A World Compendium, 14th ed.; British Crop Protection Council: Hampshire, UK, 2006; pp 545- 548.
RED Facts: Glyphosate; EPA-738-F-93-011; U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, Office of Pesticide Programs, U.S. Government Printing Office: Washington, DC, 1993.
Roberts, T. R. Metabolic Pathways of Agrochemicals-Part 1: Herbicides and Plant Growth Regulators; The Royal Society of Chemistry: Cambridge, UK, 1998; pp 396-399.
Herbicide Handbook, 8th ed.; Vencill, W. K. Ed.; Weed Science Society of America: Lawrence, KS, 2002; p 231-234.
Roundup herbicide bulletin Number 1; Monsanto Agricultural Products Company: St. Louis, MO, 1980.
Reregistration Eligibility Decision (RED): Glyphosate; EPA-738-R-93-014; U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, Office of Pesticide Programs, U.S. Government Printing Office: Washington, DC, 1993.
Giesey, J. P.; Dobson, S.; Solomon, K. R. Ecotoxicological risk assessment for Roundup herbicide. Rev. Environ. Contam. Toxicol. 2000, 167, 35-120.
SRC PhysProp Database: Glyphosate; Syracuse Research Corporation.
Shaner, D. L. The impact of glyphosate-tolerant crops on the use of other herbicides and on resistance management. Pest Manag. Sci. 2000, 56, 320-326.
Franz, J. E.; Mao, M. K.; Sikorski, J. A. Glyphosate: A Unique Global Herbicide; American Chemical Society: Washington, DC, 1997; pp 521-527, 604-605, 615.
WHO. Data Sheets on Pesticides: Glyphosate; International Programme on Chemical Safety, World Health Organization, Food and Agriculture Organization: Geneva, Switzerland, 1996.
Wu, J. Y.; Chang, S. S.; Tseng, C. P.; Deng, J. F.; Lee, C. C. Parenteral glyphosate-surfactant herbicide intoxication. Am. J. Emerg. Med. 2006, 24 (4), 504-506.
Williams, G. M.; Kroes, R.; Munro, I. C. Safety evaluation and risk assessment of the herbicide Roundup and its active ingredient, glyphosate, for humans. Regul. Toxicol. Pharmacol. 2000, 31, 117-165.
Bradberry, S. M.; Proudfoot, A. T.; Vale, J. A. Glyphosate poisoning. Toxicol. Rev. 2004, 23 (3), 159-167..
Bates, N.; Campbell, A. Handbook of Poisoning in Dogs and Cats - Glyphosate; Campbell, A.; Chapman, M., Eds.; Blackwell Science Ltd: Oxford, England, 2000; pp 135-138.
Monsanto Department of Medical and Health Sciences. Roundup and other gyphosate/tallowamine surfactant-containing herbicides: The clinical effects and their managment. Unpublished report, 1994, cited in Burgat, V.; Keck, G.; Guerre, P.; Bigorre, V.; Pineau, X. Glyphosate toxicosis in domestic animals: A survey from the data of the Centre National d'Informations Toxicologiques Veterinaires (CNITV). Vet. Hum.Toxicol. 1998, 40 (6), 363-367.
Organic can have chemical sprays too, but they're generally more controlled. However, to be safe, all produce should be soaked in baking soda for at least 15 minutes and washed off. It doesn't remove everything, as chemical sprays can leach deeper into the produce than what the baking soda can neutralize, but it can remove most of it. The safest bet will always be to grow your own produce.
Given that you're intentionally trying to throw off the conversation, it still led to a constructive outlet for information sharing. Thanks.
Way, way, way more pesticides.
Want me to send you a list of the pesticides, FDA approved!
They are less efficient, more toxic too. Way more than the conventional ones. But I assume you don't care, since you are very antiscience.
I've already researched these counterarguments, but sure. Post away.
[edit reply, because RealDrJester is a subversive Jew who probably gets paid per reply]
His posted link contains simple chemical compounds which can be used to fight off pests and replenish nutrients in the soil, and almost all of which are soluble in water and broken down by soil microbes. Almost all of the chemicals listed in his link are familiar to anyone that took high school chemistry. The "toxicity classification" is hilarious too, because it sounds alarming to anyone unfamiliar to how MSDS are written. All side effects must be labelled, and if improperly handled or used, can result in these side effects. However, these side effects are dependent upon exposure and magnitude. The link RealDrJester provided doesn't give this info about exposure, to make it sound more alarming to people unfamiliar with this. I could just as easily list side effects of dihydrogen monoxide, sodium chloride, or sodium bicarbonate exposure to ring alarm bells for the foolish, but most people familiar with basic chemistry and MSDS would know how funny it would be.
For example, ancient peoples (and many modern organic farmers) used bone meal/flour to fertilize their fields to replenish phosphorus, nitrogen, and other nutrients. However, bone meal is toxic if ingested, but perfectly safe to use as fertilizer. If it were listed on RealDrJester's link, going by the same rules, it would only be listed as "toxic" or "highly toxic".
Since organic sprays brake down quickly in the environment, almost zero residue is left on the produce, and if there is any left, it can easily be soaked, scrubbed, and rinsed off. Even so, the residues of organic sprays, given that they're all simple and naturally derived chemical compounds (all of which contain nutrients our body can use or discard easily), in the small amounts present they wouldn't hurt us. Non-organic sprays don't brake down easily in the environment, and can persist for a long time. Furthermore, even very small amounts of some of the non-organic sprays can have serious delirious health effects, especially over time. Glyphosate is the most famous one, causing cancer, celiac disease, Parkinsons, and lots more. "Studies" found it to be safe, but those studies are often funded by institutions and government entities that are thoroughly corrupted.
Here's a short link on the differences in sprays. Here's a good link on why organic is better. Here's a link on the allowed and prohibited substance use in organic farming, and when they're allowed to be used.
[2nd edit reply. RealDrJester has confirmed he's not only stalking my account, but watching all of my comments for edits, in addition to replies. I find this quite funny. You can spot this guy's kvetching from outer space. He's also telling the goys to consume the glyphosate, claiming it's perfectly fine, using sources that are easily debunked. A jew arguing for mainstream "$science", how stereotypical.]
Good lord, you are so subversive and a lying piece of shitty scum that I find complete and total disdain.
Here's why GMOs are better, little to no pesticide.
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/02/19/gmo-corns-yield-human-health-benefits-vindicated-21-years-studies/
https://archive.li/df7dw
https://www.sciencealert.com/after-two-decades-and-6-000-studies-scientists-find-gmos-in-corn-are-actually-good-for-you
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/02/19/gmo-corns-yield-human-health-benefits-vindicated-21-years-studies/
Why organic is not that great
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogsscientificamericancomscience-sushi20110718mythbusting-101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/
Once again, wrong.
https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyphosate#:~:text=No%20risks%20of%20concern%20to%20human%20health%20from%20current%20uses,are%20more%20sensitive%20to%20glyphosate.
And rodale institute? This makes me wonder why shouldn't I quote Monsanto website...
You like to be WRONG all the time, don't you?
EVERY.
SINGLE.
TIME.
You are wrong. I see your opinion, 99% change it is wrong. Funny who you preferred to edit your reply and no write to me. Were you afraid I would do exactly what I just did and destroy your shitty argument? Subversive lying sack of shit. You bumbling idiotic mouth breathing moronic retard. I am certain now that you are an inbred who needs help tying your shoes in the morning. Since you stormcucks all know is project.
EDIT: More evidence of safety of Glyphosate. Apex is one of the most dishonest, shady and shitty stormcuck I have ever had the displeasure in meeting. He is the type of a salesman that will sell you a large 8 slice pizza, and give you a petri-dish sized pizza with 5 slices and no cheese.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5515989/
Or just check these
Tomlin, C. D. S. The Pesticide Manual: A World Compendium, 14th ed.; British Crop Protection Council: Hampshire, UK, 2006; pp 545- 548.
RED Facts: Glyphosate; EPA-738-F-93-011; U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, Office of Pesticide Programs, U.S. Government Printing Office: Washington, DC, 1993.
Roberts, T. R. Metabolic Pathways of Agrochemicals-Part 1: Herbicides and Plant Growth Regulators; The Royal Society of Chemistry: Cambridge, UK, 1998; pp 396-399.
Herbicide Handbook, 8th ed.; Vencill, W. K. Ed.; Weed Science Society of America: Lawrence, KS, 2002; p 231-234.
Roundup herbicide bulletin Number 1; Monsanto Agricultural Products Company: St. Louis, MO, 1980.
Reregistration Eligibility Decision (RED): Glyphosate; EPA-738-R-93-014; U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, Office of Pesticide Programs, U.S. Government Printing Office: Washington, DC, 1993.
Giesey, J. P.; Dobson, S.; Solomon, K. R. Ecotoxicological risk assessment for Roundup herbicide. Rev. Environ. Contam. Toxicol. 2000, 167, 35-120. SRC PhysProp Database: Glyphosate; Syracuse Research Corporation.
Shaner, D. L. The impact of glyphosate-tolerant crops on the use of other herbicides and on resistance management. Pest Manag. Sci. 2000, 56, 320-326. Franz, J. E.; Mao, M. K.; Sikorski, J. A. Glyphosate: A Unique Global Herbicide; American Chemical Society: Washington, DC, 1997; pp 521-527, 604-605, 615. WHO. Data Sheets on Pesticides: Glyphosate; International Programme on Chemical Safety, World Health Organization, Food and Agriculture Organization: Geneva, Switzerland, 1996.
Wu, J. Y.; Chang, S. S.; Tseng, C. P.; Deng, J. F.; Lee, C. C. Parenteral glyphosate-surfactant herbicide intoxication. Am. J. Emerg. Med. 2006, 24 (4), 504-506.
Williams, G. M.; Kroes, R.; Munro, I. C. Safety evaluation and risk assessment of the herbicide Roundup and its active ingredient, glyphosate, for humans. Regul. Toxicol. Pharmacol. 2000, 31, 117-165.
Bradberry, S. M.; Proudfoot, A. T.; Vale, J. A. Glyphosate poisoning. Toxicol. Rev. 2004, 23 (3), 159-167..
Bates, N.; Campbell, A. Handbook of Poisoning in Dogs and Cats - Glyphosate; Campbell, A.; Chapman, M., Eds.; Blackwell Science Ltd: Oxford, England, 2000; pp 135-138.
Monsanto Department of Medical and Health Sciences. Roundup and other gyphosate/tallowamine surfactant-containing herbicides: The clinical effects and their managment. Unpublished report, 1994, cited in Burgat, V.; Keck, G.; Guerre, P.; Bigorre, V.; Pineau, X. Glyphosate toxicosis in domestic animals: A survey from the data of the Centre National d'Informations Toxicologiques Veterinaires (CNITV). Vet. Hum.Toxicol. 1998, 40 (6), 363-367.
What counterarguments?
Are you going to tell me organic is better somehow?