I wish Christians would rediscover the spirit of the Crusades. It's all well and good to try to hope for a good afterlife, but that doesn't help us down here. Deus vult does.
Journalism professor Farooq Kperogi called for the immediate arrest and punishment of the murderers.
TIL there are journalism professors who are not complete and utter reeking, sickening pieces of s(&*.
What is Deus Vult? God’s Will? I mean as Christians we are taught that we should turn the other cheek and that the world will hate us but you make an interesting point after seeing this. There are some gruesome stories of Muslim terror coming out of Africa. Let alone Europe.
"Deus Vult" is usually a cheeky reference to The Crusades. I guess it was a common phrase at the time. You might employ it like a terrorist uses "Allahu Akbar".
While your non-violent stance is commendable, that is a relatively modern social invention. At the risk of repeating Antonio, do you think Christendom would be as large as it is today if ancient Europeans had had that attitude?
Religious scholars have debated for years about what, if anything, can be considered a "just war", but traditionally almost everyone outside the Quakers agreed that collectively engaging in a holy war when the enemy attacks you first is not only ok, but commanded.
Yea I’m not a pacifist because I can’t stand by while others are being harmed and I firmly believe in the right to bear arms because I’d rather have a gun and never need it than the other way around. I try to avoid violence and conflict but it’s not always possible.
Traditionally translated as "god wills [it]", but 'volo' generally translates as desire. "God wants it" does not really pack the same punch though.
I mean as Christians we are taught that we should turn the other cheek and that the world will hate us but you make an interesting point after seeing this.
But of course, 'the world' hated Christians at the time of Christ, but not between 400 and 1950 or so. How much of this is just a cultural meme promoted in order to prevent the greatest reservoir of resistance against the regime from doing anything? Early Christianity was pacifist, but in the 9th century, after the Muslims had invaded Europe from 3 separate places, Rome realized that something had to be done, and it approved of holy war to expel them from Italy.
Without Christian militancy, there would basically be no Christian left, except for a tiny, despised minority of dhimmis frequently subjected to mob attacks. People should not be a partner in their own marginalization, and along with that, the marginalization of all that is good and decent.
There are some gruesome stories of Muslim terror coming out of Africa. Let alone Europe.
Africa is far worse than Europe, because there the Muslims have larger populations and there is less of a need to play relatively nice for fear of upsetting people. Difference is that African Christians actually fight back, like in the Central African Republic, as opposed to the European "thank you, Sir, can you rape another of my daughters, Sir?"
I don’t think turning the other cheek means to stand by while you and your family get killed. I should’ve specified that better. I always saw it as trying to avoid conflict when and where possible. As this article shows certain groups make avoiding conflict impossible
I get what you mean, but there is a lot of stuff in the Sermon on thee Mount that appears to mandate a sort of extreme pacifism. Do not resist evil, give a robber your cloak as well, etc.
Now, of course, this makes a lot of sense when you are a small band of despised people, as the early Christians were, because if you are despised and you start being violent even in self-defense, then you are in big trouble. But it's very different when you are the majority or at least very influential.
Very true but I have to believe that Jesus wouldn’t want me to stand there if I see an old lady getting beat up or if someone was terrorizing my mom. I have given that a lot of thought. I love the sentiment of the sermon on the mount though. Now sometimes if you are being robbed it may be easier to give up what you have and move on but depends on the circumstances.
Did you grow up going to church? I’m impressed with your knowledge of Christianity. But I’ve had a few atheists friends who were very well versed in the Bible and we were able to have civil discussions
Very true but I have to believe that Jesus wouldn’t want me to stand there if I see an old lady getting beat up or if someone was terrorizing my mom. I have given that a lot of thought. I love the sentiment of the sermon on the mount though. Now sometimes if you are being robbed it may be easier to give up what you have and move on but depends on the circumstances.
Yes, but that is moving it into the area of what is practical rather than what is moral. It is not really "do not resist evil", although if you are unable to resist evil as the Christians were back then - that also makes tons of sense.
Did you grow up going to church? I’m impressed with your knowledge of Christianity. But I’ve had a few atheists friends who were very well versed in the Bible and we were able to have civil discussions
Yes, but I mostly learned about it myself. I actually despised it when I started learning about Christian history and the Middle Ages, in order to better denigrate them as Voltaire said, but then I started actually respecting it.
. I actually despised it when I started learning about Christian history and the Middle Ages, in order to better denigrate them as Voltaire said, but then I started actually respecting it.
This is really common. I was indifferent about Christianity until I became annoyed by so many of my peers just shitting on it constantly out of sheer resentment. Then I began studying it a bit. You need to be Bible literate in order to dig most of English literature prior to the 20th-century, so there's that as well.
I’ve been meaning to study the crusades but a lot of modern western papers on it predictably blame Christians so I want to find a good unbiased book on it
Robert Spencer is a polemicist though. If you want an objective history of the Crusades that is not blaming Christians, I would recommend Thomas F. Madden's A New Concise History of the Crusades.
Actually, the work of crusade historians is generally not at all anti-Christian, except if you read anti-Crusader polemicists like Runciman. The portrayal of the Crusades as unprovoked aggression is very common in pop culture, but nowhere to be found in the works of historians.
The portrayal of the Crusades as unprovoked aggression is very common in pop culture,
"Too many people have died in the name of Christ for anyone to heed the call" is a line I recall from some Crosby/Stills/Nash bit of shit.
It's a really common trope made popular by atheists who pathologically target Christianity. Your typically stupid and ignorant adolescent/"adult" throws his feces at what he dimly knows and is told to hate. Islam is foreign and the religion of brown people so it is automatically virtuous. His teachers tell him so. His parents are Presbyterians so Christianity sucks. That's about the depth of it.
Why is white guilt so strong in Germany? Are all their problems attributable to their attempts to cope with their Nazi past?
Can white guilt and the social contagion of "anti-racism" be so powerful among the intelligentsia that the UK are letting in hordes of Muslim migrants because of it?
I really can't understand why so many are just laying down for Islamic violence and barbarism.
Are all their problems attributable to their attempts to cope with their Nazi past?
I'd say Nazi past and the misguided attempt to integrate Soviet-German politicians into society. We're pretty much back to Soviet Germany, complete with officially approved opinions, a Stasi-by-any-other-name, purity tests and consolidation of all societal institutions under government ideology.
Everything that doesn't suit the left gets branded as right-wing extremism, which shuts down any further discussion and resistance to leftist policies, because people have been taught since childhood that the worst thing that can happen to them is being accused of being right-leaning.
Plus Germany has state-run media that tells people what is "true" and what to think. You wouldn't want to be a right-wing extremist by questioning the official narrative, would you? Private media on the other hand gets bribed with media funds, ad campaigns and campaigns against editors to keep them in line.
My god, I had no Idea Germany was that authoritarian. This is what America could become if the left continues to get its way and the DHS new Ministry of Truth is put into operation.
Santo subito.
You cannot peacefully coexist with Muslims.
I wish Christians would rediscover the spirit of the Crusades. It's all well and good to try to hope for a good afterlife, but that doesn't help us down here. Deus vult does.
TIL there are journalism professors who are not complete and utter reeking, sickening pieces of s(&*.
What is Deus Vult? God’s Will? I mean as Christians we are taught that we should turn the other cheek and that the world will hate us but you make an interesting point after seeing this. There are some gruesome stories of Muslim terror coming out of Africa. Let alone Europe.
"Deus Vult" is usually a cheeky reference to The Crusades. I guess it was a common phrase at the time. You might employ it like a terrorist uses "Allahu Akbar".
While your non-violent stance is commendable, that is a relatively modern social invention. At the risk of repeating Antonio, do you think Christendom would be as large as it is today if ancient Europeans had had that attitude?
Religious scholars have debated for years about what, if anything, can be considered a "just war", but traditionally almost everyone outside the Quakers agreed that collectively engaging in a holy war when the enemy attacks you first is not only ok, but commanded.
Yea I’m not a pacifist because I can’t stand by while others are being harmed and I firmly believe in the right to bear arms because I’d rather have a gun and never need it than the other way around. I try to avoid violence and conflict but it’s not always possible.
Traditionally translated as "god wills [it]", but 'volo' generally translates as desire. "God wants it" does not really pack the same punch though.
But of course, 'the world' hated Christians at the time of Christ, but not between 400 and 1950 or so. How much of this is just a cultural meme promoted in order to prevent the greatest reservoir of resistance against the regime from doing anything? Early Christianity was pacifist, but in the 9th century, after the Muslims had invaded Europe from 3 separate places, Rome realized that something had to be done, and it approved of holy war to expel them from Italy.
Without Christian militancy, there would basically be no Christian left, except for a tiny, despised minority of dhimmis frequently subjected to mob attacks. People should not be a partner in their own marginalization, and along with that, the marginalization of all that is good and decent.
Africa is far worse than Europe, because there the Muslims have larger populations and there is less of a need to play relatively nice for fear of upsetting people. Difference is that African Christians actually fight back, like in the Central African Republic, as opposed to the European "thank you, Sir, can you rape another of my daughters, Sir?"
I don’t think turning the other cheek means to stand by while you and your family get killed. I should’ve specified that better. I always saw it as trying to avoid conflict when and where possible. As this article shows certain groups make avoiding conflict impossible
I get what you mean, but there is a lot of stuff in the Sermon on thee Mount that appears to mandate a sort of extreme pacifism. Do not resist evil, give a robber your cloak as well, etc.
Now, of course, this makes a lot of sense when you are a small band of despised people, as the early Christians were, because if you are despised and you start being violent even in self-defense, then you are in big trouble. But it's very different when you are the majority or at least very influential.
Very true but I have to believe that Jesus wouldn’t want me to stand there if I see an old lady getting beat up or if someone was terrorizing my mom. I have given that a lot of thought. I love the sentiment of the sermon on the mount though. Now sometimes if you are being robbed it may be easier to give up what you have and move on but depends on the circumstances.
Did you grow up going to church? I’m impressed with your knowledge of Christianity. But I’ve had a few atheists friends who were very well versed in the Bible and we were able to have civil discussions
Yes, but that is moving it into the area of what is practical rather than what is moral. It is not really "do not resist evil", although if you are unable to resist evil as the Christians were back then - that also makes tons of sense.
Yes, but I mostly learned about it myself. I actually despised it when I started learning about Christian history and the Middle Ages, in order to better denigrate them as Voltaire said, but then I started actually respecting it.
This is really common. I was indifferent about Christianity until I became annoyed by so many of my peers just shitting on it constantly out of sheer resentment. Then I began studying it a bit. You need to be Bible literate in order to dig most of English literature prior to the 20th-century, so there's that as well.
I’ve been meaning to study the crusades but a lot of modern western papers on it predictably blame Christians so I want to find a good unbiased book on it
Thanks!
Robert Spencer is a polemicist though. If you want an objective history of the Crusades that is not blaming Christians, I would recommend Thomas F. Madden's A New Concise History of the Crusades.
Actually, the work of crusade historians is generally not at all anti-Christian, except if you read anti-Crusader polemicists like Runciman. The portrayal of the Crusades as unprovoked aggression is very common in pop culture, but nowhere to be found in the works of historians.
"Too many people have died in the name of Christ for anyone to heed the call" is a line I recall from some Crosby/Stills/Nash bit of shit.
It's a really common trope made popular by atheists who pathologically target Christianity. Your typically stupid and ignorant adolescent/"adult" throws his feces at what he dimly knows and is told to hate. Islam is foreign and the religion of brown people so it is automatically virtuous. His teachers tell him so. His parents are Presbyterians so Christianity sucks. That's about the depth of it.
I fully agree with this sentiment, but I’m a little bit surprised to see it coming from you.
I know that you are pretty anti-Islam, but I thought that you have said in the past that you are an atheist.
Are you a Christian or do you cynically support the “deus vult” stuff because you want Christians to fight your battles for you?
Correct.
I'd like them to join me in defending the civilization that they created.
The German government is probably already sending approved asylum notices and letters of recommendation to the rioters and suspects.
Why is white guilt so strong in Germany? Are all their problems attributable to their attempts to cope with their Nazi past?
Can white guilt and the social contagion of "anti-racism" be so powerful among the intelligentsia that the UK are letting in hordes of Muslim migrants because of it?
I really can't understand why so many are just laying down for Islamic violence and barbarism.
I'd say Nazi past and the misguided attempt to integrate Soviet-German politicians into society. We're pretty much back to Soviet Germany, complete with officially approved opinions, a Stasi-by-any-other-name, purity tests and consolidation of all societal institutions under government ideology.
Everything that doesn't suit the left gets branded as right-wing extremism, which shuts down any further discussion and resistance to leftist policies, because people have been taught since childhood that the worst thing that can happen to them is being accused of being right-leaning.
Plus Germany has state-run media that tells people what is "true" and what to think. You wouldn't want to be a right-wing extremist by questioning the official narrative, would you? Private media on the other hand gets bribed with media funds, ad campaigns and campaigns against editors to keep them in line.
My god, I had no Idea Germany was that authoritarian. This is what America could become if the left continues to get its way and the DHS new Ministry of Truth is put into operation.
Brass to the grass, rounds downrange. Iustitia vult.
The response should be live ammunition on the rioters.
These people are right infront of you, outing themselves as the problem element. Shoot to kill. Purge without hesitation.
If you do not pressure them to adopt the same tolerance everyone else has, they never will.
Crusade when?
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