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Larry Fink and his Black Rock. (media.communities.win)
posted 3 years ago by EJGeneric PRO 3 years ago by EJGeneric PRO +87 / -1
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– TentElephant 3 points 3 years ago +7 / -4

The foundation of the postwar global regime has been antifascism. You aren't going to win by calling them fascists and declaring yourself the real antifa. It is simply one of their many words for enemy. Fascism, as in the authentic mid-century Italian variety, can easily be critiqued from a reactionary view, such as its egalitarianism, antiracism and materialism, but that's not the point.

Stop using progressive framing. Fascism is a functionally meaningless word in its common usage that should be stepped over. If calling progressives fascists was an effective tactic, they would have been dislodged from power at some point in the last 90 years that it has been tried.

Learned controversies, reverberating for years on end in American magazines, have not even been able to determine whether or not Fascism is a form of capitalism... For if you examine the press you will find that there is almost no set of people — certainly no political party or organized body of any kind — which has not been denounced as Fascist during the past ten years... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

-George Orwell, What Is Fascism?, 1944

Spez: The best candidate for the current inheritor of Fascism is Israel. The Revisionist Zionism of Likud has a lot of overlap with Italian Fascism, although with a much greater racial awareness. There is a reason so many jews that would go on to found Israel were hanging out with Mussolini, at least until Hitler pressured him to throw them out.

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– OldBullLee 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

We need to call the current system of corporate/USG collusion what it is--Fascism. I agree getting caught up in definitional arguments is a waste of time, but it is necessary to call things by their proper names and Megascandal is correct, "The merger of state and corporate power under ideology and party is fascism." The ideology is neo-Marxism and for the time being the Fascist party in the US is the Democratic Party. Confusing the matter further is the fact that for at least 60 years here in the US "Fascist" has been the go-to epithet used by the left against the right, so much so that most people believe Fascism is a "right-wing" ideology.

Orwell's point is that "Fascism" had been a term used so promiscuously it came to refer to any political ideology one dislikes. This is still true and unfortunately this confusion makes people more comfortable with our current form of Fascism. The Citizens United SC decision cleared the field for American Fascism, and when you look at the relationship between corporate lobbyists and our "representatives" it's apparent that our republican democracy is bought and sold by corporations. In fact, Eisenhower's "military-industrial complex" is a synonym for "Fascism."

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– TentElephant 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Using that simplistic definition of fascism, Lincoln would qualify as a fascist. Citizens United didn't do anything like what your describing. FDR's managerial ceasarism cemented the current totalitarian state. It's only relatively recently that you've become aware of it. Hows the strategy of declaring that real antifascism has never been tried worked out for the last almost century?

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– Megascandal 0 points 3 years ago +2 / -2

We aren't calling ourselves cringe like antifascist, we are calling fascism left wing. Which it is because it was born from socialism.

Leftist dogma is defining fascism as right wing, as their opposite, when it couldn't be further from the truth. Calling Fascism LEFT WING is destroying the argument of the enemy because their entire justification is that "right wing is fascism and we must defeat right wing to defeat fascism." Their ideology is completely obsessed in calling fascism right wing to the point that it is an ideological lynch pin for them. When fascism is literally what they are doing from rigging elections, to having banks stop serving people they disagree with.

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– TentElephant 3 points 3 years ago +4 / -1

Hows that strategy worked out for the last almost century? Made any headway at removing these people from power? Has real antifascism never been tried?

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– Megascandal 0 points 3 years ago +2 / -2

Their strategy of making the public think that fascism is right wing has worked wonders for them. It's a core justification to their blackshirt movement.

That is why people need to learn that fascism is left wing and always has been. To damage their propaganda.

What do you not get about this?

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– TentElephant 3 points 3 years ago +4 / -1

What do you not get that you are literally laying out the strategy of the neocons at the National Review since its creation in 1955? This is the foundation of the American right since the end of WW2; the people that lose so often one could be forgiven for thinking their entire job is to lose. Why are you pushing for a strategy that has been a demonstrable failure for so long?

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– BidenLikesMiners 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

This. Tent is arguing the definition of the word while ignoring that it is left wing fascism. No one here would call themselves antifa, and we can be against fascism without suddenly becoming the exact same leftists.

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– Megascandal 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Yeah, I don't think he understand what I wrote.

He doesn't like calling real fascists fascist because those fascist call non-fascists fascist and anyone calling real fascists fascist is now a card carrying antifa soyboi (even though antifa is a fascist brownshirt organization.)

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