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Electric bus explodes on Paris street (www.youtube.com)
posted 3 years ago by xleb2 3 years ago by xleb2 +54 / -1
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– Frankie_Houmous 33 points 3 years ago +34 / -1

Electric vehicles are brilliant for the environment.

Buy lithium mining and processing is not.

Nobody knows how much pollution and toxins are in that smoke. Lithium, aluminium, plastics, polymers and all other forms of man made chemicals, burning away.

Not to mention the fact that ev's currently so nothing for the environment but transfer the source of pollution from one place (the petrol/diesel engine) to the coal/gas/oil power plant.

Green energy my ass.

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– APDSmith 29 points 3 years ago +29 / -0

Eh, it's French, so there's a decent chance the ultimate source of power is nuclear.

Got to say, though, the charge \ discharge cycle on a metropolitan bus has got to be pretty brutal. .Damn thing's running all day.

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– TakenusernameA 26 points 3 years ago +26 / -0

The entire environmental movement is such an obvious scam that only naive children buy into their doomsday propaganda.

Unfortunately a new crop of those is born every year, ripe for exploitation thanks to their exclusive control of the education and "Science"(TM) apparatuses.

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– OldBullLee 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

I'm old enough to remember the development of ecology as an academic discipline which emerged around the same time as the social movement that gave rise to "environmentalism."

This process began around 1969-75, when Americans were made aware of the massive scale of industrial pollution and the EPA was created. I can recall when Cleveland's Cuyahoga River caught fire in 1969, the latest in a series of burning river incidents.

As with all creations of the left, what began as a worthwhile path to environmental protection was co-opted by large corporate interests and the lunatic fringe in the universities and presto! you get climate alarmists, anti-human propagandists and creatures like Greta Thunburg.

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– lapalapa 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Out of sight, out of mind, my dude.

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– Grumman -3 points 3 years ago +6 / -9

Buy lithium mining and processing is not.

Lithium is not consumed by the operation of a battery. It's like mining aluminium - yes, there is pollution is involved in mining it, but once you've got it, you've got it for the next hundred years.

Not to mention the fact that ev's currently so nothing for the environment but transfer the source of pollution from one place (the petrol/diesel engine) to the coal/gas/oil power plant.

An electric vehicle produces less pollution even if it is entirely powered by coal. A large, stationary power station is more efficient than an internal combustion engine.

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– yamez 23 points 3 years ago +23 / -0

lithium is really tough to recycle. Aluminum is not. Lithium for batteries is an ionized crystal oxide. It doesn't particularly want to be in that form and when it has gone through many charge cycles, it must be refabricated. Resmelting, like with aluminum, won't work, because it's not the nature of the base metal to be an ionized crystal oxide. I don't know the cycle, but there is a reason we aren't mass recycling these batteries--the process is not at all economical.

EDIT: Batteries are recycled now, actually. I guess it is more economical than it used to be. Go read how they do it and guess who environmentally friendly it is :D

https://waareeess.com/lithium-ion-battery-recycling/

"After shredding, a “black mass” is obtained, which needs to be processed to extract essential metals like cobalt and nickel. The black mass typically includes a blend of lithium, manganese, cobalt and nickel present in distinct ratios. This process requires an intensive amount of energy, and it also degrades the value of the extracted components."

separating out these metals is actually effectively re-refining the elemental forms of the metals. Which requires settling ponds and industrial quantities of acids. Metal refining is often super noxious and releases a LOT of nasty gasses. After obtaining the elemental form of the metals, each will need to be re-ionized and alloyed, which also requires a lot of energy for the smelt and fabrication. Additional materials will need to be sourced for the packaging and layering.

EDIT 2: Lithium is already ionized naturally, since it's an alkaline metal like cesium, potassium, sodium etc. The chemistry involved with using it in an alloy is nuts and well beyond me.

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– Flarisu 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

To remake the electrolyte you need lithium chloride, which can be found naturally in lithium salts (mixed with sodium perchlorate to make lithium perchlorate). Raw lithium would be more useful in making lithium carbonate, which you can use to make the lithium cobalt oxide which is also needed.

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– yamez 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

perchlorates are nasty nasty business. I wonder how green anything that demands mass amounts of a perchlorate is.

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– Piroko 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Lithium is not consumed by the operation of a battery.

It is when it burns.

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– deleted 3 points 3 years ago +6 / -3
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– cartoonericroberts 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

To be fair internal combustion engines do produce actual pollution, and coal plants do have massive fuck off scrubbers (although there's still the problem of ash, which doesn't go into the air but is pollution all the same).

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– deleted -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2
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– DomitiusOfMassilia [M] 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Comment Reported for: Rule 2 - Violent Speech

It doesn't look like you were telling a user to kill themselves.

That being said, CO2 is pollution, so is methane, and you produce both, not sure why that's a reason to die...

If you do an Amber Herd and shit the bed, that is still polluting the bed.

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– deleted 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0
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