I spoke with someone at work about the changes in episode one.
“He accidentally murders his own wife before going on an adventure.”
“What happened to his wife in the book?”
“He didn’t have a wife in the book.”
There’s no excuse for this level of alteration. These writers and show runners are telling the stories that they want to tell and using the established characters as bait.
What we really need to do is push a new term for these malicious and incompetent adaptations.
I remember in the 90s and early 00s I was a part of a lot of “nerd forums” where we had the typical debates you’d hear in a comic book store back in the day. A lot of those sites are gone now or were bought out and are all about the message now. I still remember when I stopped going on the sci-fi channel site when they reviewed a movie and the review was all about white supremacy
Oh yes, I too mourn the days when vBulletin/XenForo/phpBB forums were all the rage, and were packed to bursting with actual geeks you could escape meatspace and nerd out with for hours about your topic of choice. For my child & teenage self, it was LOTR, early Paradox games and Total War up to Medieval II most of the time, and anime/manga to a lesser extent. Discussions were unfiltered for the most part, and certainly nobody would give you shit for being 'problematic' for talking about Tolkien's religiosity & political views or writing an AAR where you conquered the map & exterminated Muslim towns as the Kingdom of Jerusalem. I talked with both kids younger than myself and working men & pensioners twice my age or even older on a relatively equal footing, made my first online friends and got into play-by-post roleplaying on those forums.
Those good old days seem to have steeply declined since 2007-08, and pretty much came to an end altogether with Gamergate exploding in 2014-15. In hindsight that mid-2000s to early-2010s era felt like a perfect evolution of the Internet since Usenet and AOL, where there was truly a place for everyone, everyone could build their own place and the possibilities really seemed endless. Nowadays spaces like those old forums are sometimes still around but have fallen into obscurity (more often than not they have, as you say, gone extinct or worse still - gone corporate), while the rest of the Internet is dominated by these tech giants that want to make 'spaces for everyone' overrun by tranny jannies, corporate shills and ads. Fuck, I'd kill to have the 2003-07 Internet back now.
And showrunners who know better than the author. I can understand some changes here and there but they make drastic changes. I saw the summaries of the episode and no surprise they push the girl power and lgbt stuff. Along with race swaps. Moraine and her best friend end up with men. I’m wondering if they’ll even show that.
I think they're overcompensating because they know they can never write anything as engaging or appealing as the source material, so they end up desperate to leave their stamp on the work. They're willing to see the IP fail just so they can claim any level of popularity as due to their contribution.
IMO it's a bit of this and a bit of plain mean-spirited cultural vandalism, wrapped up in a cloak of self-righteous masturbatory wokeness. The pieces of shit maladapting one beloved cultural property after another seriously seem to have a major hard-on for trying to turn said properties into trashfires to spite both the fans and the original creators, for daring to create (and like) 'problematic' messages - like how a core theme of WoT is that men & women are different but complement each other and need to work together, or literally everything about LOTR from its naturalistic, anti-industrial themes to Tolkien's devout Catholicism and desire to create an Anglo-Saxon natural & cultural myth.
Welp, at least the LOTR fanbase seems a lot wiser & more united in bitter opposition to Amazon's bullshit than the Wheel of Time fans were. I'm still flabbergasted that any among the latter were still surprised that a modern (or rather 'postmodern') adaptation of their source material would turn out so badly this late in the game, but at least their experience has served to further put the LOTR crowd on guard against Amazon. If anyone can turn the latest project of woke cultural vandals into a Cowboy Bebop-tier dumpster fire that gets canceled after one disastrous season, it's probably them.
Definitely, but I think it's motivated by their absolute unwillingness to face their inadequacy. Sure, they do it for the woke points, but would they even deign to lower xirself to work on some shitty nerddom if they could generate their own popular content? Hell no. They definitely hate us, but they need us too, and that makes them hate us even more- almost as much as themselves.
I really hate this logic. These people are narcissistic monsters. They don’t hate themselves at all. They hate the world for rejecting their obvious brilliance, and that’s not the hallmark of someone who is insecure or lashing out due to their own inadequacies. You don’t go to war with reality itself because you’re “unsure” about your talents. You do it because you’re a delusion shithead imagining your greatness.
Why not both? They aren't a monolith. I have to disagree that a narcissist can't have an inferiority complex; I believe the opposite is true. I think their narcissism causes them to enter a state of denial, and anything that reminds them of the reality of the situation causes a severe overreaction because nothing can be allowed to threaten their self-perception of "greatness".
Her best friend dies because she's an arrogant dumbass who repeatedly doesn't listen to the warnings Min gives that if she and Brynn stay apart they both die.
After an assassination attempt that Brynn stops the two take this as solving the foretelling and do their own things later on which ends up with her dead and then him charging off on a mad rage induced suicide run because he feels her death through their Warder bond.
And it's not the only time that either that sort of thing happens where one of the main female characters dismisses Min's viewings like that nor is she the only main female character who dies by the end of the books.
Not that I expect this dumpster fire to go that route with those characters if the series even somehow lasts long enough to be dealing with a chapter from book 14 that's as long as some entire novels.
Could Amazon be any more obvious about wearing Wheel of Time like a skin suit?
I spoke with someone at work about the changes in episode one.
“He accidentally murders his own wife before going on an adventure.”
“What happened to his wife in the book?”
“He didn’t have a wife in the book.”
There’s no excuse for this level of alteration. These writers and show runners are telling the stories that they want to tell and using the established characters as bait.
What we really need to do is push a new term for these malicious and incompetent adaptations.
Any site with corporate ownership is a shill site. Corporations aren't fans.
I remember in the 90s and early 00s I was a part of a lot of “nerd forums” where we had the typical debates you’d hear in a comic book store back in the day. A lot of those sites are gone now or were bought out and are all about the message now. I still remember when I stopped going on the sci-fi channel site when they reviewed a movie and the review was all about white supremacy
Oh yes, I too mourn the days when vBulletin/XenForo/phpBB forums were all the rage, and were packed to bursting with actual geeks you could escape meatspace and nerd out with for hours about your topic of choice. For my child & teenage self, it was LOTR, early Paradox games and Total War up to Medieval II most of the time, and anime/manga to a lesser extent. Discussions were unfiltered for the most part, and certainly nobody would give you shit for being 'problematic' for talking about Tolkien's religiosity & political views or writing an AAR where you conquered the map & exterminated Muslim towns as the Kingdom of Jerusalem. I talked with both kids younger than myself and working men & pensioners twice my age or even older on a relatively equal footing, made my first online friends and got into play-by-post roleplaying on those forums.
Those good old days seem to have steeply declined since 2007-08, and pretty much came to an end altogether with Gamergate exploding in 2014-15. In hindsight that mid-2000s to early-2010s era felt like a perfect evolution of the Internet since Usenet and AOL, where there was truly a place for everyone, everyone could build their own place and the possibilities really seemed endless. Nowadays spaces like those old forums are sometimes still around but have fallen into obscurity (more often than not they have, as you say, gone extinct or worse still - gone corporate), while the rest of the Internet is dominated by these tech giants that want to make 'spaces for everyone' overrun by tranny jannies, corporate shills and ads. Fuck, I'd kill to have the 2003-07 Internet back now.
I remember N64.com and how much it felt new and cool.
I was on a PlayStation site as well as Star Wars and other sci-fi/gaming sites.
Then they all got bought out by IGN
Here is the archive. Don't give them clicks
Thanks!
And showrunners who know better than the author. I can understand some changes here and there but they make drastic changes. I saw the summaries of the episode and no surprise they push the girl power and lgbt stuff. Along with race swaps. Moraine and her best friend end up with men. I’m wondering if they’ll even show that.
I think they're overcompensating because they know they can never write anything as engaging or appealing as the source material, so they end up desperate to leave their stamp on the work. They're willing to see the IP fail just so they can claim any level of popularity as due to their contribution.
IMO it's a bit of this and a bit of plain mean-spirited cultural vandalism, wrapped up in a cloak of self-righteous masturbatory wokeness. The pieces of shit maladapting one beloved cultural property after another seriously seem to have a major hard-on for trying to turn said properties into trashfires to spite both the fans and the original creators, for daring to create (and like) 'problematic' messages - like how a core theme of WoT is that men & women are different but complement each other and need to work together, or literally everything about LOTR from its naturalistic, anti-industrial themes to Tolkien's devout Catholicism and desire to create an Anglo-Saxon natural & cultural myth.
Welp, at least the LOTR fanbase seems a lot wiser & more united in bitter opposition to Amazon's bullshit than the Wheel of Time fans were. I'm still flabbergasted that any among the latter were still surprised that a modern (or rather 'postmodern') adaptation of their source material would turn out so badly this late in the game, but at least their experience has served to further put the LOTR crowd on guard against Amazon. If anyone can turn the latest project of woke cultural vandals into a Cowboy Bebop-tier dumpster fire that gets canceled after one disastrous season, it's probably them.
Definitely, but I think it's motivated by their absolute unwillingness to face their inadequacy. Sure, they do it for the woke points, but would they even deign to lower xirself to work on some shitty nerddom if they could generate their own popular content? Hell no. They definitely hate us, but they need us too, and that makes them hate us even more- almost as much as themselves.
I really hate this logic. These people are narcissistic monsters. They don’t hate themselves at all. They hate the world for rejecting their obvious brilliance, and that’s not the hallmark of someone who is insecure or lashing out due to their own inadequacies. You don’t go to war with reality itself because you’re “unsure” about your talents. You do it because you’re a delusion shithead imagining your greatness.
Why not both? They aren't a monolith. I have to disagree that a narcissist can't have an inferiority complex; I believe the opposite is true. I think their narcissism causes them to enter a state of denial, and anything that reminds them of the reality of the situation causes a severe overreaction because nothing can be allowed to threaten their self-perception of "greatness".
They said that exact thing on Friday Night Tights a few weeks back
Her best friend dies because she's an arrogant dumbass who repeatedly doesn't listen to the warnings Min gives that if she and Brynn stay apart they both die.
After an assassination attempt that Brynn stops the two take this as solving the foretelling and do their own things later on which ends up with her dead and then him charging off on a mad rage induced suicide run because he feels her death through their Warder bond.
And it's not the only time that either that sort of thing happens where one of the main female characters dismisses Min's viewings like that nor is she the only main female character who dies by the end of the books.
Not that I expect this dumpster fire to go that route with those characters if the series even somehow lasts long enough to be dealing with a chapter from book 14 that's as long as some entire novels.
Yea they wouldn’t show women making bad decisions lol
Well that would mean the following characters were removed:
Aviendha, Birgitte, Cadsuane, Egwene, Elaida, Elayne, Faile, Graendal [also removed because can't have attractive women these days], Lanfear, Mesaana, Morgase, Moghedien, Nicola Treehill, Nynaeve, Siuan, Semirhage, Sorilea, Tuon.
And with the state of the changes being made removing them probably still wouldn't be the biggest changes the story will undergo 🙄
Moraine was already important. She is basically the Obi-Wan of the story