we do not live in a world where people are inherently honest and careful enough to use complete and total freedom for the actual benefit of their people while also suffering the modern style of total populational disconnect
if it actually went into effect tomorrow you'd just see 95% of industry devolve to chinese style quality scamming, and since 5% is a lot smaller than 95% it would stay that way
In many ways Nazis were leftists, in some ways not. More importantly I don't think it's accurate to generalize the American right today as being economic libertarians. Many are, but many want government restrictions on corporations to stop them from subverting our culture with wokism and to stop them from selling us out to foreign interests. It's America First, after all. Not Businesses First. The pro-business Libertarians and Republicans did nothing to further actual "right-wing" interests that would help the little guy. If you go back far enough in US history, even many of the anti-federalists were afraid of letting the "merchant class" do whatever they want for fear that they would become a powerful influence over the government.
Naturally you can put in the "right" everyone in the big tent MAGA movement. It's what the wokists at places like Nexus do anyway. Some of our new Nazi friends would have been called "left" before 2016 when they planned to vote for Bernie Sanders but here we are.
Leftist as revolutionary? Yes. Leftist as collectivist? Yes. Leftist as government control of the economy? Yes. Leftist as cosmopolitan? No. Leftist as internationalist? No. Leftist culturally? No.
TBH Nazism is weird. The more I learn about it, the deeper I think it should be studied by the right, just to understand why it resisted so fiercely and why it failed. Instead its a bogeyman, and taboo to talk about it in detail. It's evil and verboten. Hitler word! Turn off brain!
Your bone with Nazism is the government role in central organization and puppeteering the economy. Fair point.
My bone is that it's a revolutionary ideology, and with the possible exception of the American Revolution, which was trying to conserve colonial self-rule in the face of British consolidation of power, revolutions are fucking messy, The odds are stacked against revolutions doing anything more than creating a pile of bodies and causing turnover in the elites. Revolutions destroy tradition, which is deeply ironic in the case of Nazism; in their attempt to 'save' the German tradition, the Nazis managed to poison and destroy it.
Nazism's failures are seriously fucking cautionary and mandatory study for anyone trying to oppose the current world order.
im pretty sure they were "resisted so fiercely" because they chased out (and even arrested) rothschild bankers and any country that opposes those bankers or is not in their power or tried to get out of their power ( like the many middle eastern countries )gets destroyed.
That bit about revolutions is all too true. Most revolutions go to shit upon success. Hell, America was a complete mess post-revolution and it took several decades, an industrial revolution, and arguably 2 world wars to unfuck it.
I would argue the "world order" was not fully established during the 30s, at least not as we know it today. Had WWII not happened, I genuinely believe the Nazis would have been around for a long time before they either collapsed under their own weight like the Soviet Union, or radically changed their economic policies like China. Part of me wonders what the world would look like if they didn't invade their neighbors and galvanize the world into war against them.
Part of me wonders what the world would look like if they didn't invade their neighbors and galvanize the world into war against them.
Yeah. How would the Nazis have failed internally, if they'd not been forced into collapse due to foreign factors? It's a question we'll never have a proper answer to, but worth asking. Here's another one: what would happen to the Third Reich after the power vacuum of Hitler dying? Interesting moot questions.
'The Right' is an awful big tent, and (thinking about it) includes a lot of disillusioned/failed/exiled leftists. It's not surprising that there are a lot of leftist ideological points represented in that plurality ex-leftists who find themselves 'on the right'/'thrown in the pit with the rest of us' when the Overton Window slides left (again and again.)
Given the ideological scattering of anti-leftists, and the fractured nature of the right, is there even any way to stop this kind of ideological pollution? Can we even purity test when the only definition of Conservative or Rightist is relative to to the sliding of the Overton Window?
Deep inhale
Nazis are leftists, and are the antithesis of laissez-faire economics which the right stands for.
Unfortunately actual right wingers are nearly extinct in the wild, if the rampant infection of Keynesianism in our society is any indicator.
laissez-faire is a pipedream
we do not live in a world where people are inherently honest and careful enough to use complete and total freedom for the actual benefit of their people while also suffering the modern style of total populational disconnect
if it actually went into effect tomorrow you'd just see 95% of industry devolve to chinese style quality scamming, and since 5% is a lot smaller than 95% it would stay that way
As much as we want small government with fewer regulations, there are legitimate roles of government.
<Tim Pool>Look, it's complicated...</Tim Pool>
In many ways Nazis were leftists, in some ways not. More importantly I don't think it's accurate to generalize the American right today as being economic libertarians. Many are, but many want government restrictions on corporations to stop them from subverting our culture with wokism and to stop them from selling us out to foreign interests. It's America First, after all. Not Businesses First. The pro-business Libertarians and Republicans did nothing to further actual "right-wing" interests that would help the little guy. If you go back far enough in US history, even many of the anti-federalists were afraid of letting the "merchant class" do whatever they want for fear that they would become a powerful influence over the government.
Naturally you can put in the "right" everyone in the big tent MAGA movement. It's what the wokists at places like Nexus do anyway. Some of our new Nazi friends would have been called "left" before 2016 when they planned to vote for Bernie Sanders but here we are.
Leftist as revolutionary? Yes. Leftist as collectivist? Yes. Leftist as government control of the economy? Yes. Leftist as cosmopolitan? No. Leftist as internationalist? No. Leftist culturally? No.
TBH Nazism is weird. The more I learn about it, the deeper I think it should be studied by the right, just to understand why it resisted so fiercely and why it failed. Instead its a bogeyman, and taboo to talk about it in detail. It's evil and verboten. Hitler word! Turn off brain!
Your bone with Nazism is the government role in central organization and puppeteering the economy. Fair point.
My bone is that it's a revolutionary ideology, and with the possible exception of the American Revolution, which was trying to conserve colonial self-rule in the face of British consolidation of power, revolutions are fucking messy, The odds are stacked against revolutions doing anything more than creating a pile of bodies and causing turnover in the elites. Revolutions destroy tradition, which is deeply ironic in the case of Nazism; in their attempt to 'save' the German tradition, the Nazis managed to poison and destroy it.
Nazism's failures are seriously fucking cautionary and mandatory study for anyone trying to oppose the current world order.
im pretty sure they were "resisted so fiercely" because they chased out (and even arrested) rothschild bankers and any country that opposes those bankers or is not in their power or tried to get out of their power ( like the many middle eastern countries )gets destroyed.
That bit about revolutions is all too true. Most revolutions go to shit upon success. Hell, America was a complete mess post-revolution and it took several decades, an industrial revolution, and arguably 2 world wars to unfuck it.
I would argue the "world order" was not fully established during the 30s, at least not as we know it today. Had WWII not happened, I genuinely believe the Nazis would have been around for a long time before they either collapsed under their own weight like the Soviet Union, or radically changed their economic policies like China. Part of me wonders what the world would look like if they didn't invade their neighbors and galvanize the world into war against them.
Yeah. How would the Nazis have failed internally, if they'd not been forced into collapse due to foreign factors? It's a question we'll never have a proper answer to, but worth asking. Here's another one: what would happen to the Third Reich after the power vacuum of Hitler dying? Interesting moot questions.
The US's traditions are getting plenty of poison without us being Nazis or starting a revolution.
Arguably because the politically and culturally dominant force in the US is dual-national, rather than nationalists.
I don't need to say which nation.
You have to go pretty far back to get the US ruled by US nationalists. Teddy Roosevelt at least, IMHO.
'The Right' is an awful big tent, and (thinking about it) includes a lot of disillusioned/failed/exiled leftists. It's not surprising that there are a lot of leftist ideological points represented in that plurality ex-leftists who find themselves 'on the right'/'thrown in the pit with the rest of us' when the Overton Window slides left (again and again.)
Given the ideological scattering of anti-leftists, and the fractured nature of the right, is there even any way to stop this kind of ideological pollution? Can we even purity test when the only definition of Conservative or Rightist is relative to to the sliding of the Overton Window?