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BBC investigation reveals confirmed Russian military deaths: 557 as of 21 March 2022 (archive.ph)
posted 4 years ago by TentElephant 4 years ago by TentElephant +55 / -0
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– DefinitelyNotIGN 15 points 4 years ago +15 / -0

7000-15000 casualties seems perfectly realistic. A bit low, if anything.

The problem is in definitions of words. To a layperson, a casualty is a dead body. To a military or disaster expert, a casualty is someone with a cut on their arm.

15k injured Russians is plenty believable. They just make sure to word it in such a way that it SEEMS like they're saying something completely different.

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– thepalagoon 12 points 4 years ago +12 / -0

I imagine most products of the american education system never had the talk about casualties vs fatalities in their history classes.

Too busy watching feral children slap each other in front of a disinterested teacher barely hiding their alcoholism.

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– captain-shitpost 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

i think the point is that we keep getting these western propaganda reports of thousands of russian soldiers dying, and how russia is losing, and then some news comes out admitting that was all completely false. like the now known facts that:

  • zelensky fled the country very early on, easily over a month ago. it was first to poland, and now he's in israel. autists at 4chan figured it out by denoting the electical sockets in the public pictures he's been putting out. his "public appearance" pics claiming he's inspiring troops by being there on the front lines while wearing flak jackets are all lies... he's not even in ukraine and hasn't been there for over a month.
  • there's a lot less actual skirmishes going on than western propaganda makes us believe. tons of indy journalists have posted extensive video and pics on how people are just going about their lives. the larry johnson interview goes over how badly the western propaganda doesn't even come close to making mathematical sense. putin would have to be a blathering idiot and would already have failed if western propaganda was accurate.
  • there's a shitload of western propaganda about russia attacking schools. turns out those schools were emptied out and being used by ukrainian troops and weapons systems. there's now been multiple strikes where foreign volunteer fighters gave those locations up by idiotically posting selfies to social media, not realizing they geotagged make-shift bases for missile strikes.
  • the biolabs scandal is out of western propaganda control. western propaganda mislabeled it a conspiracy theory, and then the undersecretary of the US state department admitted it was true on national fucking television.
  • western mainstream propaganda, aided by social media, keeps glorifying these outright fake stories of ukrainian war heroes and brutal russian attacks, only for people to reverse image search and find out the stories are mostly or completely faked.
  • even NYT admitted a few days ago that russia is winning a lot more than western propaganda is presenting and that the numbers aren't even close to adding up.
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– jrbelmont 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I've seen those videos. If you look at them with your eyes open you can very clearly see the outlets are Type F. They've got the two male grounding pins in the socket itself. Israeli type H sockets use 3 pins on the plug, and are almost always angled 45 degrees.

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– cartoonericroberts 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

In this context wouldn't it be someone who is injured severely enough to be taken out of service? If that's the case 7000 is still ridiculous.

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– NoEyesNoGroin 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

To a military or disaster expert, a casualty is someone with a cut on their arm.

No, you drooling imbecile. A casualty is someone who has been injured and the injury caused them to become combat ineffective.

Also, the ratio of injured to dead is typically 3:1, so even 15,000 casualties would imply ~5000 dead.

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– reidj 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

The worst part is they didn't read the article or failed to think about it. BBC Russia's list isn't meant to be every single Russian soldier who's died - it's the dead who have been identified in reports the journalists were able to obtain. Those who haven't been identified yet or whose deaths were noted in reports not available to journalists wouldn't be counted. 557 is the minimum possible and, as you've explained, unlikely to be the real number.

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