Yeah, this has got to be suicide by cop. Choosing a big, obvious arrival method, making lots of noise but just shooting into the sidewalk, calmly hanging around until the officers arrive. This guy wanted to die.
every normal human being looks at this video and can easily conclude this guy was either completely out of his mind, or looking for suicide by cop... and the cops' hands were forced.
change the guy to black though and suddenly it's a civil rights race riot issue.
I can't even imagine any more of a justified shooting.
I'm not going to say it wasn't justified, because it was.
But I will say, I think that if this guy had been doing this in, let's say, the UK (And he had a bolt-action rifle, so it would have been perfectly possible for a law abiding UK citizen to have such a weapon), he might, and I stress, might have lived.
They're mostly just yelling 'drop the weapon' while he's lying on the floor with his gun to his head. No action is taken to try and disable this guy, nobody moves to get to the closer wall (for the taser shot that one officer wanted to try) whilst he is obviously unable to immediately shoot and covered by half a dozen officers. Nobody tries to appeal to him with any statement like 'How are your family going to feel?' or 'There is a better way out of it than this' or 'we can help you'.
I think it's worth saying that there was considerable potential to take his guy in alive, but I wouldn't 'condemn' the police over it.
I'd say 'I am satisfied but I still think you could have done better'.
The police didn't have the context of what the guy was shooting at, just that he was an active shooter. Trying to approach him would very likely have been suicide. They dealt with this exactly as they should have.
I didn't hear about this until this thread, so they have about as much context as I have, seeing a guy lying down on the ground holding a rifle to his own head.
Approaching him was not suicide, as demonsrated by the car pulling up right infront of him with a clear line of fire. (Imo they pulled up too close and too visibly and freaked him out, and that's why he chose that moment to get up.)
He was in a situation where pointing the gun the wrong way would equate to an instant hail of bullets cutting him up from both above and infront of him. It was pretty safe for an officer to approach him from the empty flank, as that car did.
IMO If you are brandishing a firearm in a hostile manner and acting deranged or belligerent, any escalation on law enforcement's side is on you.
It takes all but a fraction of a second to turn the rifle and shoot a snap shot at the direction of the officers. Yeah the odds are low for an unaimed shot to hit someone but if I was a cop I'm not taking that chance. If it's him or a minute possibility it's me, it's him 10/10 times.
A deranged person is reported as an active shooter and is holding a gun to his head, but won't pull the trigger. approaching him may be safe, or he might spaz out and shoot himself, you, or someone else. Nobody should be compelled to flip that coin.
The cops here contained the danger and prevented a crazed gunman from harming anyone else at an already big enough risk to their own lives. That is A+ work.
Nah just A work. A+ would be what the other guy said. You dont wanna do A+ work in America. Some cops have been fired for A+ work for putting officers at risk.
At one point in the video one of the cops clearly realizes what he's trying to do and goes "don't do it, bud". Another (I think) cop suggests he's going to go in and taze him, but gets denied.
Looks like suicide by cop.
If you want to die, don't be an asshole who drags other people into it. That just brings more misery into the world.
What's weird is that this one makes the news.
Yeah, this has got to be suicide by cop. Choosing a big, obvious arrival method, making lots of noise but just shooting into the sidewalk, calmly hanging around until the officers arrive. This guy wanted to die.
every normal human being looks at this video and can easily conclude this guy was either completely out of his mind, or looking for suicide by cop... and the cops' hands were forced.
change the guy to black though and suddenly it's a civil rights race riot issue.
I'm not going to say it wasn't justified, because it was.
But I will say, I think that if this guy had been doing this in, let's say, the UK (And he had a bolt-action rifle, so it would have been perfectly possible for a law abiding UK citizen to have such a weapon), he might, and I stress, might have lived.
They're mostly just yelling 'drop the weapon' while he's lying on the floor with his gun to his head. No action is taken to try and disable this guy, nobody moves to get to the closer wall (for the taser shot that one officer wanted to try) whilst he is obviously unable to immediately shoot and covered by half a dozen officers. Nobody tries to appeal to him with any statement like 'How are your family going to feel?' or 'There is a better way out of it than this' or 'we can help you'.
I think it's worth saying that there was considerable potential to take his guy in alive, but I wouldn't 'condemn' the police over it.
I'd say 'I am satisfied but I still think you could have done better'.
The police didn't have the context of what the guy was shooting at, just that he was an active shooter. Trying to approach him would very likely have been suicide. They dealt with this exactly as they should have.
I didn't hear about this until this thread, so they have about as much context as I have, seeing a guy lying down on the ground holding a rifle to his own head.
Approaching him was not suicide, as demonsrated by the car pulling up right infront of him with a clear line of fire. (Imo they pulled up too close and too visibly and freaked him out, and that's why he chose that moment to get up.)
He was in a situation where pointing the gun the wrong way would equate to an instant hail of bullets cutting him up from both above and infront of him. It was pretty safe for an officer to approach him from the empty flank, as that car did.
IMO If you are brandishing a firearm in a hostile manner and acting deranged or belligerent, any escalation on law enforcement's side is on you.
It takes all but a fraction of a second to turn the rifle and shoot a snap shot at the direction of the officers. Yeah the odds are low for an unaimed shot to hit someone but if I was a cop I'm not taking that chance. If it's him or a minute possibility it's me, it's him 10/10 times.
A deranged person is reported as an active shooter and is holding a gun to his head, but won't pull the trigger. approaching him may be safe, or he might spaz out and shoot himself, you, or someone else. Nobody should be compelled to flip that coin.
The cops here contained the danger and prevented a crazed gunman from harming anyone else at an already big enough risk to their own lives. That is A+ work.
Nah just A work. A+ would be what the other guy said. You dont wanna do A+ work in America. Some cops have been fired for A+ work for putting officers at risk.
I think it's a straight C.
Very little attempt was made to de-escalate the situation even once they had him totally covered from two angles.
This guy absolutely could have been flanked in a better when than driving a car right up to him, which they should not have done.
At one point in the video one of the cops clearly realizes what he's trying to do and goes "don't do it, bud". Another (I think) cop suggests he's going to go in and taze him, but gets denied.
Makes perfect sense to not listen to the cops when their guns are drawn.
Unlike Floyd this guy can breath a lot better (albeit for a brief moment) when the cops aerated his lungs.
100% suicide by cop. They did what they needed to do. All lives matter obviously, but this person made their choice.