What is your best example of a show that has a great first season then gets woke or a show that pulls a bait and switch? For me I’d say Westworld and as a prediction I would say the Netflix Conan show will either be great in the first season to lure viewers or he will have a female sidekick who is much better
Comments (34)
sorted by:
The Expanse. When the guy who plays the pilot was #metoo'd, everyone else on cast and crew were all too eager to unperson him and unceremoniously kill his character off. Then you had the polyamorous relationships shown, which were part of the original story, but it seemed particularly pointless and unnecessary how they portrayed it on the show.
Is that why he got killed off? Fucking hell, he was a cool character. I have to say though, season 5 did nothing for me. Acting was a bit off, and the whole plot seemed to just tread water.
Jessica Jones had a really good first season. It was already woke, but Tenant put in such a remarkable performance that I could overlook all the wokeness.
Then they brought in season 2. Suddenly, you’d think 80% of New York was gay or trans (maybe it is?). They really clubbed you over the head with how woke they were.
Sherlock. The first 3 episodes are incredible. Second season they lost their touch. By the last episode I was left wondering just what it was I was watching and why I was watching it.
Ah yes, the famous retcon of everything up to that point because 'it was the genius sister behind everything from the start, you see?'
Guess I should have expected nothing less from the BBC.
And that was after that awful heavy-handed "time travel" episode where he tries to solve the murder from the 1890s and meets up with the secret society of women who covertly make London a functional city.
The Blacklist, first three are strong but goes to shit afterwards
Westworld is the Trope Namer for this. “Oh man, the show went Westworld!”
Designated Survivor is a pretty great show until season 3, where it takes a very sharp left turn. Never-before-mentioned tranny "sister"-in-law, anyone?
I liked season 1, heard nothing about it after that and figured it probably went to hell.
Cobra Kai, the first season is great, but the second season feels like an apology for the first
Really? I heard it’s a great show
I stopped watching after season 2, where they walked back everything from season 1. Maybe it's recovered, but (X) Doubt.
It's been a while and I'm just going off memory so this is probably full of holes. Generally speaking, Kreese is brought in to make it look like the original Cobra-Kai was always in the wrong when the whole point of the first season was to show it as a good model of masculinity for young men.
I didn't see Cobra-Kai season 2, but in Karate Kid he was fine with his students attacking Daniel for no reason, and he told them to cheat in the tournament. He had PTSD but to say he was totally a misunderstood good guy would be a retcon.
He was portrayed as a bad guy in Karate Kid 3 too. He's a grown-ass man who wants revenge on a kid.
Yeah he definitely didn't, or didn't understand the point. I'm no film/book analyst but imo Kreese represents unchecked power/aggression. While it is inherently a good thing for men to embrace their masculinity and be aggressive, the important thing is knowing when and how. You still want to strike hard, strike fast, strike first, put an end to things with no mercy, but only when it's really warranted. Part of being mature and having strength is knowing when to be a fully destructive force and when to hold back.
Johnny's Cobra Kai still embraces the ethos and inherent good of teaching boys how to be men through effort, struggle, and harsh criticisms
If you like media with that concept in particular you should read/listen to the Galaxys Edge books (nothing to do with star wars obviously) the tag line throughout the series is "kill them first"
Prodigal Son was good til the third season.
Then the tone completely changed (following the BLM "summer of love"), it went racial SJW to a very high level. Couldn't get past the first episode of that season.
The "I'm gay and you should know it" episode of Killjoys might be the biggest down point, but it was already weird and not very good by that point.
Season 1 of the Flash was one of the best seasons on TV, IMO, so it's fall from grace really took it's time over the course of every episode after that.
Legends of Tomorrow was a pretty big jump from the last episode of season 1 being a great redemptive arc for a villain, with a genuine comic to screen battle, a serious heroic choice by an excellent main character, then season two puts the worst person in charge because she was a woman, and decides she's an over the top lesbian who want's to captain kirk the timeline.
But, LoT wasn't exactly a shining example of great TV, it was over the top campy fun from the beginning.
My dad watched Legends of Tomorrow but stopped due to the lesbian character. He has reached a point where he is tired of lgbt having to be in everything
It was so ridiculously shoehorned in. One of the most blatant incidents I know of.
Arrow had given her a "bi" background already, but she had only showed interest in men in every appearance before that. Including season one of the same show. Then ep 1 of season 2 and she's like a completely over the top flirting and trying to sleep with every woman who appears. To the point of like, destroying the timeline. And she's supposed to be in charge!
I heard Netflix was doing a Conan show. I know they are doing a race swapped Red Sonja show because why would you want a character to look like they do in the source material
Because Red Sonja is a white female with Red hair. It's tradition.
Stop being logical. I’ve read a lot of the older comics and there are black ppl as well as other races. plenty they could spin off
Are you talking about Grace Jones from the second Schwarzenegger Conan film?