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We Must Destroy The Constitution To Save Our Democracy! (media.communities.win)
posted 4 years ago by Ahaus667 4 years ago by Ahaus667 +75 / -0
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– acp_k2win 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

Not an expert but isn't democracy fundamentally flawed.

Democracy, as the founders intended with only land-owning white male Christians of good moral character voting, could have worked. Every expansion of "voting rights" made it worse with the final nail in the coffin being womens' vote.

After the 19th the collapse became inevitable.

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– novanleon 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Both men and women, including black men and women, could vote in some states as early as 1776. Voting was generally tied to owning property. Women who owned property in New Jersey, for example, could vote. The same goes for free black men and women who owned property.

The problem wasn't giving women or black people the right to vote, the problem was allowing people with no stake in society the right to vote.

IMHO detaching the right to vote from land ownership may have been a good move, but only if it could have been replaced by something else that indicates your stake in society. For starters, only people who pay more to the government in taxes than they receive in benefits should be allowed to vote. That would cut out half of the population right there.

The fatal flaw is giving people who contribute nothing to society the ability -- via voting -- to take from those who do contribute to society.

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– acp_k2win 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

you need to separate the idea of exceptional individuals from the concept of democracy

In practice women and blacks, as a demographic, only vote against individual rights and for bigger and more intrusive government. They always vote against the interests of whites, men, and productive individuals. Those property owning blacks and women would be better off if all blacks and women couldnt vote.

You can verify this by checking the voting results.

What advantage is there for the nation to including them in the voting process?

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– novanleon 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

We might as well ban non-Christians from voting too, while we’re at it.

In fact, we should only allow Protestant Christian men to vote. They are, after all, the only group in the world that consistently votes for liberal values.

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You see, your racist and sexist “solution” isn’t really a solution because it’s built on gross generalizations that don’t actually get to the bottom of the matter. The better solution would be to actually understand why these voting patterns are harmful and make sure preventative measures are codified into law. Property ownership was one such measure that we sadly did away with. Replacing it with anti-liberal policies isn’t going to solve anything for a multitude of reasons.

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– acp_k2win 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

We might as well ban non-Christians from voting too, while we’re at it.

Your terms are acceptable

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