That is a ridiculous idea.
First of all, you can't say anything that will be universally true about everyone like that.
Second, how can you even think you can decide that for everyone? What now? If someone says "nah, I gained this and this and I'm happy", will you just go to your typical answer of the man being brainwashed or blackmailed?
It's stupid and meaningless to come with big declarations like that of all the other people when you are just doing to say "NUH" when someone say it's not true.
Again, that is ridiculous in many ways. Maybe a bunch of people don't just care about money and meaningless baubles. You could be money-oriented. Many of us aren't.
You also come with the idea that a woman can only ever be a dependent. Like is she a dependent if she would be okay on her own too?
Also, in many traditional relationships the woman staying home means a lot of actual money saved, when for example childcare would be more expensive or if they try to be self-sufficient and she does a lot of that stuff around the home.
With psycho women, it's the same as with abusive men. 99.9% of them don't just become lunatics out of nowhere. If you are honest with yourself and you look and don't ignore the red flags, the risks are WAY lower.
You will just say NOOOOOPE (all women are psycho, no men are abusive, it's all just women making everything bad happen ever), but whatever.
But a tangible benefit is something with some kind of value to it, not mere emotional hamster-wheel logic.
Even if they work for themselves, you won't see a cent unless you're earning far more and it's the financial equivalent of a virtue signal. Aside from that, do you really think tradcucks have the wife work? Of course not, she sits at home doing fuck all.
But if they didn't marry, they wouldn't have the child to need childcare.
I've literally had people I've known for years turn all leftist BLM cult on me. Don't give me that "red flag" bullshit. A woman with intelligence can hide those easily.
There are many, many people who will say they benefited from marriage in a tangible way. From having someone in their life (physically and mentally) to love and walk with and raise kids with and support them. Even many unhappy people are still happier than they would have been with no one, and with no kids. Marriage is good unless you're set to be a monk, which is good too. Don't get down on marriage. This guy's "women like to be dominated stuff" is off however. Though it is true women are generally followers and are commanded to be submissive. I think most of the problems you see with marriage, why you think it isn't beneficial, or why others don't has to do with the marriages you're looking at being non-Christian (and this goes for most of the self-proclaimed "Christians" too). Marriage and life without God at the centre is empty in the end and isn't beneficial. Dunno who you think the true enemy is, but it's satanism (aka Marxism), that anti-god, there is no God type stuff and that's what's seeped into western countries and the institution of marriage and makes them seem this way.
And yet there isn't a single person in the West, maybe even on this Earth, who can say their marriage was beneficial to them in a tangible way.
I want to fight back against the situation, but as you know, my perception of who the enemy is, is very different to that of others.
I gotta ask man, do you realize when your argument falls apart and you subsequently make a retarded follow up?
Or is your head so far up your own ass you can't even recognize it or care?
You're not an idiot.
You know that you just said something retarded.
Why?
I can't even think of a possible benefit to marriage that is tangible. It's all emotional hamstering that actually the massive debt was worth it.
You're doubling down.
It's not about what you think.
You stated that no man on Earth could testify as to gaining value from their marriage.
That is obviously retarded.
Gaining tangible value. As in something that exists and can be quantified.
That is a ridiculous idea.
First of all, you can't say anything that will be universally true about everyone like that.
Second, how can you even think you can decide that for everyone? What now? If someone says "nah, I gained this and this and I'm happy", will you just go to your typical answer of the man being brainwashed or blackmailed?
It's stupid and meaningless to come with big declarations like that of all the other people when you are just doing to say "NUH" when someone say it's not true.
It depends what you consider tangible. I highly doubt anyone made a profit out of taking an extra dependent plus a ton of risk.
Again, that is ridiculous in many ways. Maybe a bunch of people don't just care about money and meaningless baubles. You could be money-oriented. Many of us aren't.
You also come with the idea that a woman can only ever be a dependent. Like is she a dependent if she would be okay on her own too?
Also, in many traditional relationships the woman staying home means a lot of actual money saved, when for example childcare would be more expensive or if they try to be self-sufficient and she does a lot of that stuff around the home.
With psycho women, it's the same as with abusive men. 99.9% of them don't just become lunatics out of nowhere. If you are honest with yourself and you look and don't ignore the red flags, the risks are WAY lower.
You will just say NOOOOOPE (all women are psycho, no men are abusive, it's all just women making everything bad happen ever), but whatever.
But a tangible benefit is something with some kind of value to it, not mere emotional hamster-wheel logic.
Even if they work for themselves, you won't see a cent unless you're earning far more and it's the financial equivalent of a virtue signal. Aside from that, do you really think tradcucks have the wife work? Of course not, she sits at home doing fuck all.
But if they didn't marry, they wouldn't have the child to need childcare.
I've literally had people I've known for years turn all leftist BLM cult on me. Don't give me that "red flag" bullshit. A woman with intelligence can hide those easily.
There are many, many people who will say they benefited from marriage in a tangible way. From having someone in their life (physically and mentally) to love and walk with and raise kids with and support them. Even many unhappy people are still happier than they would have been with no one, and with no kids. Marriage is good unless you're set to be a monk, which is good too. Don't get down on marriage. This guy's "women like to be dominated stuff" is off however. Though it is true women are generally followers and are commanded to be submissive. I think most of the problems you see with marriage, why you think it isn't beneficial, or why others don't has to do with the marriages you're looking at being non-Christian (and this goes for most of the self-proclaimed "Christians" too). Marriage and life without God at the centre is empty in the end and isn't beneficial. Dunno who you think the true enemy is, but it's satanism (aka Marxism), that anti-god, there is no God type stuff and that's what's seeped into western countries and the institution of marriage and makes them seem this way.
Many not only can, but will say that.
Your only way out is to insist that they are lying. The considerably better outcomes for married people will belie that claim.