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Imagine doing this to your kid (i.imgur.com)
posted 4 years ago by AntonioOfVenice 4 years ago by AntonioOfVenice +101 / -0
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– Socalwackjob 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Neither of your links had anything to do with World War II.

But these illustrate the point if mainstream media can lie about so many things in the current time, what makes you think historians in the past couldn't? As I explained, if I cannot believe the historians from my own country, I wouldn't believe the textbooks in the west that explained why the nazis are bad.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Historians are not journalists - difference being that they are actually specialists. As for historians 'in the past' lying or being biased, it is taken for granted that they were.

Like I said, there's not a history book that says "the Nazis were bad".

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– Socalwackjob 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

As for historians 'in the past' lying or being biased, it is taken for granted that they were.

You haven't given me any evidence to prove that. Only your words. Like I said it again and again, I don't believe in what the westerner says of the past. I don't know what your ideologies were, but I can guess what it was even when you joined in KIA and became a mod back in reddit, liberal and atheist. They all usually say the similar things. I have enough experience speaking with them to know what their version of history is like. Historians and journalists are pretty much same thing to me, they can shape the narrative in their own accord for the future generation to just accept and believe. If you can't accept this explanation, I'm moving on. There's no point beating the dead horse.

People who joined Gamergate seems so fond of George Orwell, let me give a quote from him that seems so relevant to what I'm talking about.

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

You haven't given me any evidence to prove that.

Well, you haven't cited a single historian of the 'official school', nor said what is incorrect about the narrative.

They all usually say the similar things.

Correct.

If you can't accept this explanation, I'm moving on. There's no point beating the dead horse.

Like I said, you cannot actually substantiate your claims. Probably because it is based on feelings and suspicions, and nothing else. You have not actually read any work of history about World War II, but you feel comfortable to sweepingly dismiss all of it as 'lies' all the same.

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– Socalwackjob 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah well, given my anecdote, it's understandable why I'd be so distrustful of what the western historians say or what wikipedia says about the past. You haven't given me anything while I at least gave you why I'm very doubtful of the western interpretation of history of 20th century.

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