Hey guys, trying to crowdsource some advice here. My mother called me in tears because her job's mandating the vax. Without getting too specific, she works for the federal government and lives in a red state. She's really in a panic because she thinks everyone who gets the jab is gonna die within 5 years. I can't in good conscience recommend she get vaxed, despite that fear likely being overblown, just due to the other potential side effects of this mrna jab.
Anyways, I had no real advice for her. I managed to refrain from being a dick for no reason and saying she should've planned for this months ago when I was worrying about it. But my solution (get fired and live like a neet off savings for a while), isn't going to work for her.
Only advice I could give was:
A) forget about the 30 years you've worked there and try to find a new job
B) hold out as long as possible and hope the mandate's rescinded (unlikely)
C) find a doctor who'll forge a vax pass for you/do it yourself
D) religious exemption, but she's said she can't find any info on how to do that
I'm drawing blanks on anything else, and it's killing me inside to hear my mom so worked up. Sorry about the personal rant, but any advice would be appreciated!
Terrible times.
In my distillation so far, it seems that religious objections are the most effective so far as ~federal employees are protected by constitutional guarantees of religious freedom of practice and faith to follow their conscience.. The SCOTUS, including the much maligned Amy Comey Barrett, has upheld this repeatedly over the last year of rulings.
Constitutionally protected freedom of religion and religious beliefs have become the last bastion of free peoples.
I've been saving these links if they're any help -
https://www.coreysdigs.com/health-science/covid-19-resources-medical-legal-forms-jobs-other-critical-information/?cf_chl_jschl_tk=pmd_r5i6oIIjHYWzJ04fgwrbcCXopqP4lbgExp4RRqVOq8k-1631939445-0-gqNtZGzNAtCjcnBszQi9
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/08/13/guide-to-religious-exemptions/
https://news.gab.com/2021/07/29/important-download-covid-vaccine-religious-exemption-documents-here/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/resources-for-fighting-mandates-against-covid-injections-masks-covid-tests/
Thanks for the links, I'll forward those along to her
It’s her today and then it’s you tomorrow
Is a mother going to fight to protect her son?
They hate you and want you dead
Giving in to this before it even gets uncomfortable for her illustrates how weak she is
Stand up and fight for yourself, for your son, and for liberty
Nothing else matters
Consider this: go against every fiber in your body telling you the forced jab is wrong, and then become the living dead when your spirit is crushed from laying down for tyrants
You thought the bad guy was going to go away easy?
Fight.
Deathcare you mean. Nobody needs nurses to put you on a ventilator and murder you with Remdesivir to enrich the pharma companies. Funny to see you libs worship them now though.
Also ask her if she's gotten specific guidance yet from her chain of command.
I used to work in federal government and some people I know say they have not gotten jack shit as far as guidance. nothing expect what's on the news. so ignore until further instructed.
I think she called me because she did hear from her super, but I'll give her a call after work with all the advice I'm getting here
Find and gather the like minded. Organize, and refuse the fake vaccine en masse. That way, if they fire you all, they'll be destroying their organization's ability to get work done.
It's the federal government, not doing work and consuming cash is the entire reason it exists
Not to be a dick about it, but what agency? I've worked for the DoD for about ten years and it really depends on the agency and the program as to whether they actually have to work or not.
DHS, CBP specifically. Just joking about the lack of productivity.
Think she's in a tough spot because it's federal mandate and she's got a federal job. I don't think DeSantis is gonna attempt to fine the federal government for enforcing vaggzine mandates for their employees in his state
Yeah, they will actually care if a quarter of their employees quit. She needs to round up as many like minded employees as possible, so that people know they aren't alone, and stand up to it.
We have all the guns, all the food growing areas, and the vast majority of the veterans who aren't criminals.
We are the only thing that is important to society. The rest of you are just useless eaters. Bugs in a concrete hive. You die when we say you die, and you can't do a thing about it.
Of all the people having to deal with this, she is probably in the best position to at least try to fight back: in the US, where you have a constitution that's more than just a piece of paper, in a red state where she will likely find at least some community support if she chooses to push back.
I don't know the details of the situation, but just rolling over and letting her job go without even trying to fight for it seems like the last thing she should be considering.
My friends wife got a religious exemption approved
Thank you. So glad we have such nice trolls here who have nothing better to do.
What to do? Ignore them.
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
I'd probably add to this by trying to delay it as much as possible, by some chance that something significant happens to stop them from doing this tyrannical shit.
Can't help to look for work in the meantime, good luck!
Hope is not a plan. Hopium.
There's no need for a plan. If they try to force you, refuse. If they fire you, so what? Get another job.
… another McJob.
If that's what it takes, why not?
IANAL, but I think the common advice is not to quit, but to make them formally fire you if it comes to that.
That way, if it comes to the point of legal proceedings, the onus is on them to prove that you were fired with cause and not the other way around that you quit because of their wrongful actions.
E) wait until the shitshow of the Federal budget and debt ceiling hitting the fan in October, i don't believe this will be resolved easily, thus she may be furloughed regardless, why get the vax if the federal government is going to fall apart shortly?
F) have her buy a few GME shares, that shit is going to the moon soon. ( Not financial advice). reference MOASS lots of reasons why as hedgies R fukt. see r/superstonk
Medical exemption. Just claim massive anaphylaxis from previous vaccine.
She's overreacting. There is zero reason to take the jab. Resist the mandate, find others who agree with you, and stick together. Act like you are already fired, start saving extra money, and looking at other options for work, but fight them the whole way.
Don't do the religious exemption unless you actually believe it, and definitely don't forge a vax pass. That's just a slave stamp.
Crying over it makes no sense. It's just a job. If it's that important, then this is a good experience for her to learn what her values actually are. I'd rather work at Walmart than be forced to get the shot, and trust me, they are always hiring.
Sorry to hear this, but here are some resources that might help:
https://employeesforinformedconsent.com/
https://lcaction.org/vaccine
https://defendingtherepublic.org/covid/
Some takeaways I get from all this is; do not quit ,but prepare to be fired if things don't turn around before then, and most importantly - do not cave.