It's really hard to start a post like this, so I'll just jump into it.
The reason why companies keep lurching to the left cannot be solely some grand elite agenda, because there's no way somebody invited Devolver Digital or some of the other low-tier names that went hard left to the supposed Great Reset meetings.
So why do they do it? Simple. We have short memories, accept apologies too easily and don't double down. They, on the other hand, have the MeToo movement to cancel people who cross them, they boycott effectively and easily due to a lack of targets and they always remember trivial details of when and how people stepped over their line.
Look at the thread about the Five Nights at Freddie's guy, his politics wasn't openly stated, but they tracked down his beliefs and went to war.
I know people are going to say "Why should we take a lecture from someone who buys from CCP-owned Epic Games", but attacking me doesn't make this shit less true.
We need clear red lines. We need an actual maintained and permanent list of companies that crossed us. I made the Female Supremacy Day Shame List 2021, but that's just a start, and I'm sure people disagree with me attacking even the most basic gestures towards that movement as unforgivable, so I don't believe I'd be the best person to be managing the actual list.
They don't need to have been invited. They just need to have employees who were educated based on institutional indoctrination from things like Universities. There are very many cases of healthy young adults who go into college or some social circles and become entirely corrupted.
We learned this years ago, it's just that many people assumed they would "Grow out of it once they get a job and have to interact with the real world" instead the opposite is true. They are insulated and the rest of the world needs to bend to conform to them. Otherwise they get slandered and attacked on all angles.
Boycotts don't work because the whole financial system is poisoned from the top down. No amount of people rallying together can compete with their money against the people printing the money and doing the banking.
I know a great many of those.
I never thought they'd grow out of it. My view back then was that they would just end up shunned and on welfare. I should have known better, they formed networks and helped each other rise through the ranks.
Not every company is too big to fail. You might not be able to bankrupt Goldman Sachs, Mastercard, Coca-Cola, Google etc, but those smaller companies that don't have the same backing are weak targets that are easy to break down. Besides that, every cent we can avoid giving to the enemy is beneficial, it's one less political donation then one less HR representative then one less HR department and so on.
The problem comes with industries that are all woke, or when people disagree on what going woke means.
Also, one bad quarter is not a fucking win. Until your opponent has shut up shop, you haven't won your boycott. This is a message to all the "We beat P&G" bullshitters, both here and on TD.
I actually won a non-political boycott once. I bought a shitty laptop that broke after a few months way back and they wouldn't refund, told everyone I could that the store was shady. They went bankrupt just over a year after.
I have no faith that the majority of consumers would adhere to any sort of boycott for any length of time.
The predominant ethos of our time seems to be "Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death."
I can't count the number of times I've seen gamers bitch about EA or Blizzard or whomever screwing the customer hardest lately, but then justify purchasing the next release because "but this game looks awesome!" or "I have to buy it because all my friends are playing it," or "but I won't actually buy any microtransactions," or "I'll just pirate it" (as if this isn't increasing the user base for the game and helping its popularity).
Same thing for movies and TV. Disney gutted Star Wars and danced around it its hollowed out carcass, yet I know the majority of fans complaining about the current state are going to line up for whatever sparkly turd Disney shits out next, even while they complain about how everything is woke and lame.
Or fans will continue to tune into pro sports, while the megacorps behind the NFL, NBA et al keep pushing Woke propaganda and getting rich from selling ads to Woke corporations whose products viewers will keep buying even though the ads are calling their customers toxically masculine racists.
And I know Netflix keeps butchering existing properties with Woke casting and garbage writing, and was pushing soft-core child porn, but hey, there's a couple of shows I like, so I keep my subscription!
And sure Amazon is throwing their weight around and banning books that challenge the trans cult, but Alexa is so cool, and it's all so convenient!
There's always some excuse, because I need to have the latest entertainment, and the latest gadgets, dammit! How else should I spend my time? You want me to read a book or something?
I take some solace in recent developments, such as the drop off in viewers of the NBA, and the fact that Rise of Skywalker merely made millions of dollars, rather than millions and millions. But I don't think those slumps will last because of consumers' short attention spans and craving for entertainment.
I hope I am wrong.
EA bought the license to nearly every franchise I play fairly recently. It's pretty sad to think about. I'm trying my hardest not to succumb to my desire to see how their first F1 game turned out.
Only movie I plan on watching this year is Fast and Furious 9. Hopefully it won't be "wymyn power" bullshit. I don't watch TV at all anymore, except for F1 races and sometimes Family Guy. I don't have Netflix or any of the others. I used to have Prime, but left after The Boys came out, because it was sickening women's murder porn.
Nope, never liked any of those. F1 kneels too though, even if the drivers I like don't.
I don't just not have Netflix, but I even have short NFLX. Doing okay so far.
It's so hard to boycott Amazon. I ended up using Ebay during my attempt, but I find it way too shady. At least I don't have Prime.
I agree with your points, but I'm not quite so pessimistic.
There are always ways.
I agree with you. Entertainment should be the easiest area to boycott because it's optional, not necessary. Plus there is so much choice.
Knew a gentleman that was a hardcore IT worker rights person. But then Disney outsourced their IT and forced their native workers to train the foreign replacements, he still went gaga over their shitty Star Wars movies.
I have in-laws that are uber Pro-Trump and America First. But they still support NFL, NBA and MLB including the Mavericks owned by Mark Cuban the CCP dick-sucker. But they are more unWoke than me, because they participated in a Trump rally, even though they still go to movie theaters.
Lord forbid you call them out on their hypocrisy!
u/AntonioOfVenice
I want your input particularly if you have time, as we rarely agree.
That's nice to hear. I'll give you my input.
Recent good examples of not doubling down include:
Monster Hunter Rise [removed gender/voice ties for ResetEra]
Phantasy Star 2 (both the new & old game) [fully pushed gender removal and virtue signaled about it]
Guilty Gear Strive [Daisuke admitted to dumping the old player base and changing character designs for Sony (made I-NO more “obedient”)].
I like talking to a good portion of you, but you people very rarely speak with your wallet/purse and you make excuses for buying woke-influenced products. Guilty Gear Strive is a #1 PC seller this week and I know a bunch of anti-wokes shilling for the game DESPITE knowing about the bent knee. Why would they appeal to you if you’re going to buy the game anyway?
Look at these numbers.
https://steamcharts.com/app/1384160
My guess is all of these people are buying it for the good quality rollback netcode.
As you probably know, very few Japanese fighting games have good rollback netcode.
As someone who wants a good fighting game with a large playerbase and good rollback netcode, there are very few options that satisfy these conditions. With this mind, I can see why people bought GG Strive.
Even though the netcode seems tempting, I personally don't want to reward censorship.
I hope they update DB FighterZ with rollback netcode.
They’re buying it for lots of reasons. Some because they support the Westernization, some for the netcode, others for the music.
Here’s the thing, if you help support this entry, you’re dooming lots of future games to wokeism and casualization. It’s not worth it just for some netcode (this is coming from some who plays with 12-frame delay sometimes) You have to fight the FOMO.
I’m not trying to agitate you, but after seeing it happen time and time again, I just know that the wokies have much more buying principles than the majority of us do.
I personally won't be buying Strive as I don't want to reward censorship.
Still I would be lying if I didn't say that the rollback netcode is a pretty tempting reason to consider getting the game.
I agree with you on this.
I am not going to buy GG Strive.
Regarding short memories, I completely agree. We need a better record of all the stunts that people and organizations have pulled, and use it to build a coherent case against them. Now it's just 3 minutes of outrage that just blows over with no lasting damage to their reputation.
Accepting apologies is a two-edged sword. If you want to deter people from going over from your own side or neutral to theirs, then you need to refuse to accept apologies - thereby saying that if you decide to pull any crap, you're in the dumps forever. But if you're trying to gain people from the other side, then accepting apologies can be quite helpful, as it incentivizes people to come over to you.
I know you think that I favor 'forgiving' people out of some sort of misguided principle, but for me, it's really all expediency. Right now, we would need people to join us. Once we are strong enough to defeat them with the then-current constellation of forces, there will be no need for it. And frankly, people so diehard in nonsense do deserve anathematization.
Insofar as they do have a lack of targets, it is because they do accept a surrender/apology. They can focus all their demented energy on one target, because they move on from the prior case that surrendered.
The issue is that we don't really have a good line of attack that is as effective as their 'ism' smears.
What my recommendation would be for you is what I actually do myself. When you see something that you don't like, like celebrating International Women's History Century or something, find something that other people will care about. Then use that in your attack. Whenever I see a SJW, I try to always search for 'nigga' and 'nigger', because I know they can figuratively die by that sword, and a lot of them used it in the early 2010s. That needs to be archived.
So when the time is opportune, it can be used against them.
The issue is that there are too many of them. I'm fine with trying to boycott them, but it's unrealistic to expect it from the average right-winger, let alone the average person. There's no way people are even going to remember that list.
As you said, they attack one target at a time. When you have made an example of one company, that will add credibility to your attacks, and make future companies fearful. The best course of action would be to pick one company that is a really bad offender, and which has a clientele that would not like that, and then bring that to light until the company surrenders.
But when you have a surrender, you also have to forgive, because otherwise there is no point in surrendering for the company. If you want people to do what you want, which is what we want at the moment, you have to leave them a path for retreat. Particularly since destroying a company like Gillette is not really feasible at the moment. (Though I have to say that I don't follow my own advice and wouldn't buy Gillette even if it apologized. I would stop attacking it.)
The problem is that when we boycott something we actually need to do it and it takes time, money and commitment, while the leftists (which are almost always broke af and not customers to begin with) just point the finger and cry and the big companies do the rest.
We can't win if this stays as it is.
I'd never say something like this, even if I hate Epic Games and China, I still respect you big time.
I'm just saying that all of our pop culture is being subverted, while games are being literally bought over, full mask-off.
Boycotting is the stick - but it also makes you invisible to companies.
Be sure to use the carrot - SUPPORT conservative friendly companies :
https://conservapedia.com/Conservative_companies
You can’t control what others do, but you can control what you do. Some things can’t be boycotted, like when your electric company doles $10 million to BLM.
Live your life by a simple rule - try your hardest not to give money to people who hate you.
I haven’t bought an EA game since Madden 25. I canceled Amazon in January and haven’t used it or been to Whole Foods since then. I used Gillette razors since they sent me a free razor in the ‘90’s but switched when they went woke and stopped buying Tide, Charmin and Bounty as well when they went woke. I quit religiously watching NFL in 2016 or thereabouts.
There are some things that are unavoidable, but there are plenty you can control.
You're absolutely right. In fact, this is why I think we should bring back the "contacting advertisers" thing. It was effective, which is why we couldn't do it on reddit lest the admins nuked the sub. Seeing as how we're no longer on reddit, I can't think of any reason not to bring it back.
I hadn't thought of that until you brought it up. I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop doing that, but ultimately it's up to you to decide who you shop with.