They were bought fair and square from their own people. They were going to be slaves regardless, but instead ended in a nation that bled to free them. The alternative was staying in Africa were they would have been slaves to other Africans or Muslims, who were even more brutal, for even longer.
The choices weren't "free or slaves" for most of history. It was "slave to him or slave to us."
And in exchange, every one of their descendants has a better life than most of those who weren't enslaved. Africa is a shithole worse than the worst ghettos of America in nearly every inch of it.
Slavery was horrible but giving them even the foundation of "its a great stain on our history, our biggest sin" fails every logic test and only works on Modern Moralizing on History.
The alternative was staying in Africa were they would have been slaves to other Africans or Muslims, who were even more brutal, for even longer.
For quite shorter, actually. Muslims castrated their black slaves, and a lot of them died in that process. More would die in the journey across the Sahara. And the castration would ensure that they would not have any descendants, which is why despite massive Muslim slave populations, you barely see blacks in Muslim countries (and when they are, they are called "slave").
You are correct. My thought was that the "institution" of slavery would last longer in those nations, but logically each bloodline would end immediately and be free.
But this entire slavery moralizing doesn't work on logic anyway. Bloodlines that were never enslaved still live in America reaping the victim credit and crying tears as if they were.
Most slaves through history weren't created products. They were spoils of war that became a product. So they would always have them as long as they continued their conquesting, they just ceased to export them and just kept them internally.
There are more slaves in the world right now than there were in most of history, despite more than half the world "banning" it.
I love that you think you are superior to Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Glenn Loury and others. You do have to be an absolute moron to want to keep your pink-haired, tranvestite white SJWs, and throwing out these, but it's your loss. I'll be giving them a warm welcome - most of the others, not so much.
Taking hyperbolic rhetoric concerning a macro level issue at face value
Is it hyperbolic? Should we not believe that there could be anyone who could mean that seriously?
Like people have their list of "based blacks" ready, which is pathetic to consider.
I have my list of 'American thinkers who are worth giving the time of day'. Since I am mainly concerned with IDPol, that list is disproportionately black.
Nobody made any such claim. I absorb as much Thomas Sowell and Glenn Loury as I possibly can and they're criminally unknown national treasures.
But the woke left has made it pretty clear to me that no matter how much progress is made, they'll always be there to pick at old wounds to divide people, and this one is too obvious and sensitive to be left alone.
If I had a wand that I could wave to just magically divide everyone, I'd regretfully take the sacrifice of the Sowells and Lourys to get rid of the Sharptons and Khendis in the process. They're not worth the cost, particularly when a large part of what makes them so special is that they're good at analyzing said cost.
The guy I'm replying to specifically said "ALL", making sure that there is no ambiguity that there may be even some exceptions. That specifically was what I was taking issue with.
But the woke left has made it pretty clear to me that no matter how much progress is made, they'll always be there to pick at old wounds to divide people, and this one is too obvious and sensitive to be left alone.
Correct.
If I had a wand that I could wave to just magically divide everyone, I'd regretfully take the sacrifice of the Sowells and Lourys to get rid of the Sharptons and Khendis in the process. They're not worth the cost, particularly when a large part of what makes them so special is that they're good at analyzing said cost.
This is a more intelligent comment, than one saying "erryone git out if you're black, ALL". Frankly, I am not unhappy that this population as a whole (good and bad) is not in Europe, but my main objection would be to the injustice of such a thing.
No one alive has exploited any blacks for a few centuries
A few centuries? Let's see, slavery was abolished in 1866. That's 155 years ago. Even that is not 'a few' centuries. But you're saying that no one has been alive who exploited blacks for 'a few centuries'. If even one slave-owner lived for 56 years after 1866, that would make it 'not even one century.
And this is of course ignoring the widespread subordination of your black population with, for example, inferior schools to which lesser resources were allocated as late as a few decades ago.
But the blacks alive in the United States right now have demonstrated a concrete and pathological inability an unwillingness to adapt to a modern civilized society.
What is your evidence about a group of tens of millions?
Far as I'm concerned they've had their shot and they blew it.
I have always noticed that the 'white supremacists' tend to be the people who have the least amount to be proud of. The idea that you are superior to Thomas Sowell is an absurdity.
They'll always have Liberia. And Haiti.
They were bought fair and square from their own people. They were going to be slaves regardless, but instead ended in a nation that bled to free them. The alternative was staying in Africa were they would have been slaves to other Africans or Muslims, who were even more brutal, for even longer.
The choices weren't "free or slaves" for most of history. It was "slave to him or slave to us."
And in exchange, every one of their descendants has a better life than most of those who weren't enslaved. Africa is a shithole worse than the worst ghettos of America in nearly every inch of it.
Slavery was horrible but giving them even the foundation of "its a great stain on our history, our biggest sin" fails every logic test and only works on Modern Moralizing on History.
For quite shorter, actually. Muslims castrated their black slaves, and a lot of them died in that process. More would die in the journey across the Sahara. And the castration would ensure that they would not have any descendants, which is why despite massive Muslim slave populations, you barely see blacks in Muslim countries (and when they are, they are called "slave").
You are correct. My thought was that the "institution" of slavery would last longer in those nations, but logically each bloodline would end immediately and be free.
But this entire slavery moralizing doesn't work on logic anyway. Bloodlines that were never enslaved still live in America reaping the victim credit and crying tears as if they were.
I keep being amazed at how they screech about 3/5. Logic really has nothing to do with it.,
What about the laws of supply and demand? Surely a drop in demand means that fewer people were enslaved after each country banned the practice.
Most slaves through history weren't created products. They were spoils of war that became a product. So they would always have them as long as they continued their conquesting, they just ceased to export them and just kept them internally.
There are more slaves in the world right now than there were in most of history, despite more than half the world "banning" it.
Yeah, I'm done playing games. They ALL need to get the FUCK out.
I love that you think you are superior to Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Glenn Loury and others. You do have to be an absolute moron to want to keep your pink-haired, tranvestite white SJWs, and throwing out these, but it's your loss. I'll be giving them a warm welcome - most of the others, not so much.
Is it hyperbolic? Should we not believe that there could be anyone who could mean that seriously?
I have my list of 'American thinkers who are worth giving the time of day'. Since I am mainly concerned with IDPol, that list is disproportionately black.
Nobody made any such claim. I absorb as much Thomas Sowell and Glenn Loury as I possibly can and they're criminally unknown national treasures.
But the woke left has made it pretty clear to me that no matter how much progress is made, they'll always be there to pick at old wounds to divide people, and this one is too obvious and sensitive to be left alone.
If I had a wand that I could wave to just magically divide everyone, I'd regretfully take the sacrifice of the Sowells and Lourys to get rid of the Sharptons and Khendis in the process. They're not worth the cost, particularly when a large part of what makes them so special is that they're good at analyzing said cost.
The guy I'm replying to specifically said "ALL", making sure that there is no ambiguity that there may be even some exceptions. That specifically was what I was taking issue with.
Correct.
This is a more intelligent comment, than one saying "erryone git out if you're black, ALL". Frankly, I am not unhappy that this population as a whole (good and bad) is not in Europe, but my main objection would be to the injustice of such a thing.
Well, it is unforgivable that they are not using their magical powers to "stop"... checks notes... hardened criminals.
No, that's as retarded as Social Justice.
Except that the danger-hairs are destroying your civilization, not the Tyrones.
200 years of cheap cotton was not worth it.
So you exploit them for a few centuries, and them send them "back" to a pestilence-riddled land which barely any of them know?
A few centuries? Let's see, slavery was abolished in 1866. That's 155 years ago. Even that is not 'a few' centuries. But you're saying that no one has been alive who exploited blacks for 'a few centuries'. If even one slave-owner lived for 56 years after 1866, that would make it 'not even one century.
And this is of course ignoring the widespread subordination of your black population with, for example, inferior schools to which lesser resources were allocated as late as a few decades ago.
What is your evidence about a group of tens of millions?
I have always noticed that the 'white supremacists' tend to be the people who have the least amount to be proud of. The idea that you are superior to Thomas Sowell is an absurdity.