I am sure there is a lot of cross traffic between here and thedonald.win, myself included, although I only lurk there. I've been lucking since before the 2016 election, before reddit even banned the original subreddit.
Since the election there has been a huge number of election fraud posts, and while some of them certainly seem to have merit, there are plenty that don't. As a consequence I see posts that call for "low energy pedes" to leave, or Republicans (that aren't Trump supporters) to leave, etc. I fear that the signal to noise ratio is too low, and it makes it too easy for the MSM to ignore.
I have my own theories about what happened with the election, why, and how, based on what I've read, that I hope are reasonable, but my title question is an important one. It also asks other things. Is the Trump movement growing or shrinking? Are reasonable voices being driven away who really want to sort the fact and fiction? Are we all deluding ourselves?
Your last one is a really important note. The culture war's been on for a long time, and this poster is either spreading FUD or they're extremely new to the war based on the verbiage.
"It makes it too easy for the MSM to ignore" is bullshit disinfo and thinking in any way similar to that will cripple your capability to engage in this war. We're not mainstream. The number of people who watch this site is low, so the MSM is ignoring us always.
The way to make things happen is to work on improving the SNR. Make reasonable comments, fight against FUD, signal-boost credible information. ENGAGE. Once we find good info, then it's time to spread on Twitter, to places like Project Veritas, and on more mainstream sites.
Nothing truthful about this site will ever make it onto CNN. Believe me.
You can't deny that there's a lot of newbies. They need patience.
I'm not familiar with these terms. I think that while some online activism is useful, I think interpersonal action is imperative. People know me at work as the Austrian Economics fan, and the gold bug. ... The Diversity Initiatives are going to start soon. Guess who's gonna start making trouble?
I just wanted to play video games. I didn't want to be a revolutionary.
BUT YOU LEAVE ME WITH NO CHOICE, COMMUNISTS.
YOU LEAVE ME WITH NO CHOICE
Signal to Noise Ratio. and Fear Uncertainty Doubt.
My concern with the SNR and the MSM has to do with the fact, like it or not, that they dominate the conversation, and are the principal source of information for enough people that they caused Trump to lose. It wasn't the only factor of course, but a large one.
I'm struggling, and fear for my children's future.
The MSM still have some power, I don't deny that. "Caused Trump to lose", I'm not so convinced. But I won't deny that 4 years of MSM propaganda can cause some people to rally against the target. But that being said, you're looking at the problem wrong. They've never been this week. They weren't this week in the days of radio. The Mainstream Media hasn't been this weak since the late 1800's. Hollywood's never been this week. Never. These are wings in a long war, even if they're more costly than you'd hope.
As for your kids, you will make your children's future by hand. Don't rely on it to be crafted for them. They will have to fight for it, and you must teach them to fight.
A tangent, but I have to ask: do the TD lads have a compiled resource for this kind of data? We've been having information-based skirmishes for years now online, and I think it's essential for any online community under attack to develop a widespread understanding of things like shilling, disinformation, and trolling.
I come from /pol/ territory, and while a lot of their ideas are considered unsavory, they had some fantastic resources. Shamefully, I can't share their COINTELPRO guide because I'm a dummy and didn't save it (and google search will never show it). But the point is that that kind of image featuring compiled data was how the /pol/ group passed such essential data to new users.
If TD has no such guide, well...I hope they can make one because they get (and should expect to get) so many newcomers. They know they're a target, but the attitude I always see there is that reports and mods will solve everything, thus making it unessential to understand the vectors of attack that are most likely to occur.
You have accurately described everyone who joined this war through Gamergate. Six Years ago, if you told me, an avid gamer, that I will be part of a grand movement to save the not only America, but the whole of Mankind from the clutches of globalist evil, I would think you are crazy.
Now? I bet that the people who made those "Gamers are Dead" articles back then regretted generating the spark that ignited gamers all around the world that would lead to Donald Trump's victory.
For the first time, someone told them no. It scared the shit out of them. They got what they wanted eventually, but the horror of people actually standing against them in a way that they couldn't contain shattered something in them.
Worse, all of us kept saying no. The blowback never ended. We kept refusing and they kept pushing. We were supposed to all either die or come on board, but instead we didn't stop resisting, and they have no idea what to do.
That's why I think it really still messes with their heads. They expected to win at some point, either by exhaustion or by coercion. Instead the battle only got larger. The narrative they tell themselves says we should have simply ended, but we didn't. The narrative didn't just seem to be wrong, it seemed to be the opposite of true. We are the embodiment of their own narrative's failure. And when that narrative is promising only utopia, it's a horrific feeling that something is fundamentally wrong about how they see the world, and how they see themselves.
That's probably what keeps causing them to wake up in cold sweats.
The true horror that they don't want to think about is not that they made us, but that we were inevitable from their own actions, and we won't ever go away.
SNR is short for Signal to Noise Ratio, which the user was referring to earlier. A higher SNR makes it easier to separate valuable and reliable data from random chatter.
FUD is short for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. It's an absolutely pivotal part of counter-intelligence operations on the internet. Let's say, for example, that the CIA wants to reduce usage of The Onion Routing (Tor) to anonymize internet data and protect privacy. Since they can't actually prevent people from getting hold of Tor safely, they instead resort to spreading FUD around to dissuade people from using it. Stories about how you could get put on a list if you send Tor from your house, that you could be arrested for enabling Tor exit routing, that it's not actually secure because companies are running all the entry routers, etc.
You'll notice lots of FUD spreading around developing stories. Blackpill can be used as a sort of FUD, as well as inserting conflicting (false) details. It's really important to do your own research and keep a cool head when dealing with stories on the internet.
Agreed. The level of disinfo we are seeing is warlike.
Be careful. At will employment, my friend. I bet you now wish that you were a Eurofag like me. I can say whatever I want, and they can't do a thing.
I prefer At-Will Employment.
Austrian Economics isn't for cowards.