We will see next year how things end when people actually vote in the primaries.
If Trump ends up as the nominee, so be it. The primary electorate will get the nominee that it deserves. Trump 2024 will end up losing in the general and some people here still will make excuses for Trump and they will go on to support Trump 2028 or whatever year till the arrogant old man dies. Hopefully the old man dies sooner than later.
You can choose to make the same mistakes with the same people but you cannot expect different results.
Trump has not learned from his mistakes and his public standing has only worsened since 2020.
Independent voters will not feel any sympathy for him over the indictments while GOP voters generally do feel sympathy for him. People here get the two groups conflated.
The average normie vehemently hates Trump and also dislikes Biden. They will hold their nose and vote for Biden if faced with a choice between the two.
I am telling you all this now but you still won't accept it even if it happens next year.
For the record, I think the Dems don't need any mail in ballot fraud to win 2024 unlike 2020.
Trump is a lightning rod for Dem turnout but his recent baggage makes it easier than ever for them to win even without any shenanigans.
In terms of DeSantis, if he loses the primary in 2024, I will be supporting someone new in 2028. I love DeSantis for what he has achieved in Florida but if he actually loses the primary to a buffoonish clown like Trump, I definitely cannot support him.
I personally prioritize winning above else not complaining that it was rigged or that they stole it.
I am not like some of the clowns in the base who want to run the same retarded faggot over and over again.
Politicians are rental cars not your fucking family. We owe none of them any loyalty.
I will say that this primary has made me realize that I really do hate the MAGA movement and I will enjoy watching it die in 2024. I align very well with all of the policy of MAGA but I realize the main figures are insufferable.
People like Donald Trump, Jack Posobeic, Charlie Kirk, Kari Lake and Raheem Kassam have lied so much about DeSantis so many times that I have no respect for this movement of clowns and grifters.
I have sadly learned that the MAGA movement is not about policy at all but merely about cultlike hero worship of a flawed man.
People here are crazy enough to say that Trump really cares about disloyalty. That fat fuck cheated on every one of his wives. The only loyalty that faggot cares about is other people bending to him. He has no shred of loyalty towards anyone. He didn't endorse loyal people like Lou Barletta and instead endorsed loons like Mastriano, Herschel Walker and Dr. Oz. Trump is a cancer to the right's chances of winning anything.
Enjoy the primary victory for Trump if it happens. We will watch him lose in the general.
Trump will NEVER be president again and neither will any of his children or that dumb whore Kari Lake or that inbred clown JD Vance or that midget Indian Clownaswamy.
MAGA's expiration date is 2024.
This pathetic movement will die with Trump's loss in the general.
As an Asian American, I would say that racism against both Whites and Asians are the most prevalent and most acceptable form of racism in Western society.
One aspect is that too many Whites and too many Asians in America are spineless cucks who are afraid to ever stand up for themselves.
To be fair I realize that the western system is institutionally rigged against Whites and against Asians with regards to unfair treatment in education admissions and in terms of jobs and that speaking against the system can get you "unpersoned".
Whites were the dominant force in America at the founding of the nation, how the fuck did they become a second class citizen in the same country that their ancestors founded?
I understand that corrupt elites and corrupt politicians fucked many things up, but why the fuck did the people let it get to this point?
I know this will be an unpopular opinion here but I think Whites in the West ultimately failed to keep their dominance and they failed to even prevent themselves from being treated as second class citizens.
We can blame elites and we can blame politicians but at the end of the day the buck stops with both the Boomer and Gen X generation of regular Whites who did nothing as they were openly relegated to second class citizens.
Changing anything now will be difficult with how strong and centralized all of the major institutions still are and with how braindead the average normie is.
I posted this article because it is disturbing that the people facing these various charges say they didn't even know what they were getting into. I obviously do not support or condone this prosecution by the Dem AG of Michigan.
The Michigan State GOP party and the Michigan branch Trump campaign officials are certainly responsible for putting these elderly people in the crosshairs of a vindictive partisan prosecution by partisan Dem AG Nessel.
These elderly people are fellow conservatives who just wanted to help Trump, yet based on what they are claiming here, they didn't even know what they were really signing on to.
I deeply resent you saying that I support the prosecution and punishment of these people.
I hope that these alternate electors end up beating the charges.
The point of this post was to shed more light on this prosecution. This is NOT attacking Trump the individual. This is only attacking the shit Michigan GOP state party and shitty Michigan Trump campaign officials who duped these people into becoming electors without informed consent of potential legal consequences.
These elderly individuals are looking at years of incarceration for participating in this alternate elector scheme and they claim they were not even informed of what they were asked to do.
Shame on the Michigan State GOP and the Trump campaign if they really put these elderly citizens in the center of this shitshow without giving them any informed consent.
Blue states might go crazy with all of the pandemic bullshit again but I doubt any red states will follow suit this time.
Florida certainly won't do it this time and other red states will be forced to follow in Florida's footsteps.
Do you remember the Robert Barnes debating Nick Fuentes over Israel foreign policy episode?
Barnes spent much of the time just repeating the word "islamofascist" over and over.
Nick Fuentes glows hard and is constantly trying to be the edgiest fucker in the room and yet Barnes couldn't even beat someone of that ilk in a debate.
I will say Barnes was decent on legal analysis during the COVID mandate court cases but his political analysis and his political predictions are extremely questionable.
I still remember Barnes advising people to bet on betting websites that the GOP would win the House in 2018. Would have lost a lot of money following Barnes.
He doesn't seem to have any connection to Mitch McConnell.
He is a friend of rat Jared Kushner.
"A close friend of Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, Mr. Ramaswamy dined with Mr. Trump and Mr. Kushner at the former president’s New Jersey club, Bedminster, in 2021, according to two people familiar with the event."
The people who are always promoting Vivek Ramaswamy are Jack Posobeic and Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA.
The guy was also a fucking Paul and Daisy Soros fellow. https://archive.ph/Eb529
There is nothing conservative or right wing about this guy and yet certain prominent MAGA influencers keep propping him up.
Jack Posobeic and the Turning Point USA clowns keep promoting Vivek. What do they get out of this?
I have heard a lot of theories about the Wuhan labs and COVID but this ethnically targeting theory is not something I have ever seen discussed.
RFK Jr. was excellent on fighting COVID mandate tyranny and I still respect him for that. Still I do think saying comments like this about COVID off the cuff without hard evidence provided severely hurts his reputation unnecessarily.
The media is already smearing him as a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer. He is sadly providing the media with the rope to smear him as an anti-semite too.
Sad to see you are a shortsighted fool who rather worsen his own living conditions to somehow stick it to the normies.
Everyone will suffer including you. Accelerationism is poison.
You are an accelerationist after seeing how everyone still cucked down in the face of global COVID authoritarianism?
This is delusional.
You will never get the normies to do something.
Accelerationism is the ideology of idiots.
I have no savior on Earth. God is my only savior.
I have a preference for the GOP nominee and it is DeSantis. That does not mean I consider him a savior of anything.
A DeSantis presidency would objectively be an improvement over the current Biden Presidency.
You want to complain about Dominion machines instead of trying to take actions to win elections and then have the power to ban these machines you hate.
Your attitude is bizarre.
You can only choose between the options you have.
Only potential GOP nominees are Trump or DeSantis. On the Dem side you have Biden.
If you don't like any candidate and don't vote then don't complain when Biden wins again.
You not accepting reality does not change reality.
You cannot magically make these machines disappear.
We need to win and change things for the better.
You want to complain and do nothing to improve the situation.
DeSantis said he would pardon anyone facing a politically motivated prosecution.
How is this failing?
Trump is responsible for asking them to come and then abandoning them. By your litmus test he fails as well.
How does J6 have anything to do with the WEF?
DeSantis has openly condemned the WEF and their policies.
For you to say he is clearly with the WEF is just not supportable with any evidence.
How the fuck is DeSantis clearly in with the WEF?
There is no support for that claim.
The elites who control ALL of the major institutions frankly don't care about how regular people like us have any concerns about election integrity.
I share your concerns about election integrity so I obviously would never say the system is anywhere close to perfect.
You are misconstruing my point. The point is that the accusations against Dominion machines helped the elites distract the public from the real fraud that always happens when mass mail in ballots are involved.
There has been no hard evidence presented against Dominion machines by Powell or Wood or Lindell. They made the claims against Dominion but they have not backed it up at all.
The only way to have faith in the system and create actual election integrity for the future is to win elections by winning by a margin larger than any potential margin of fraud.
I don't think Trump can achieve this and I want someone new like DeSantis to get a shot at the Presidency.
You are arguing with me over something that I have never said.
Stop the stealers like Sydney Powell and Lin Wood pushing the Dominion machines theory never provided any actual hard evidence for their claims.
The burden of proof is always on the accuser in the west.
Every governor used CDC's federal guidance to lockdown.
Trump could have fired the agency heads like Fauci and Birx but he didn't.
Trump himself bragged on Twitter that he has the final authority when it comes to any lockdowns.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249712404260421633
My grievances with Trump's behavior are that
He pushed Operation WarpSpeed and refuses to acknowledge to this day that the COVID vaccines are shit and have terrible adverse effects.
He listened to Fauci and lockdowned during COVID. The worst part is to this day he still says he did the right thing. He refuses to acknowledge he ever made a mistake.
He told his most devoted supporters to come on J6 and he let them get fucked. He didn't pardon a single one while he pardoned his rat son in law Kushner's daddy.
He hired the worst people for key positions like Bill Barr, Jeff Sessions, Scott Gottlieb and Steve Mnuchin and now he says he always hired the best people and they just happened to betray him now.
He refuses to focus on running a future facing campaign for 2024. Spends most of his time bitching about 2020 being stolen and alienating any potential independent voters.
He endorsed dog shit tier candidates like Dr. Oz, Herschel Walker, Doug Mastriano, Tudor Dixon and Blake Masters who all lost key races in the 2022 midterms.
What a disgrace that this freak is likely going to win re-election because the base refuses to stop propping up Trump as the GOP nominee.
Trump is the one man who is hated by normies even more than Biden.
Normies will pick Biden over Trump.
Go talk to normies and you will have your answer.
I despise Trump's behavior from 2020 onwards but I still prefer him over Biden. Too bad normies don't feel the same way.
People here don't realize how much normies hate Trump specifically.
There is no man in politics today that is hated by more normies than Trump.
Where is the Kraken that Sidney Powell promised you dumbass?
Dominion has always been a red herring to discount and hide the real fraud.
The real election fraud has always been old fashioned mass mail in ballot fraud.
Trump lost 2020 for multiple reasons.
Mail in ballot laws were changed because of COVID and the Dems pushed mass mail in ballots.
Trump certainly alienated many independent voters by putting his foot in his mouth like he always does.
I acknowledge that a lot of shady mail in ballot shit happened in the 2020 election but I will NOT absolve Trump of all of his responsibility.
He was the incumbent President while they "stole" it away from him. It happened on his watch. He could have prevented it all by just not locking down for COVID. He gave Dems the cover to change the mail in ballot laws.
Trump doesn't get to always play the victim of Democrat malevolence. He has agency and he openly made multiple mistakes that led us down the path to the terrible 2020 outcome.
I am sick of you Trump 2024 clowns painting me with a false brush.
I hate to see the U.S. suffer and truly want a Biden re-election campaign to fail but the only silver lining of a Trump nomination in 2024 is watching you clowns on this board seethe and cry when Trump loses in the 2024 general election.
Two generations of Whites did nothing as their people became second class citizens.
I blame them for the current state of the western world we live in.
By the time I was born, it was already too late to make any real change.
I don't think anyone here has any leg to stand on with regards to falling for psyops or not.
Many people here still think Trump can win a general election again and that Trump is actually competent. Just laughable.
It is hilarious to see you accuse me of falling for psyops when this forum is full of people who fall for any psyops propping up Trump.
I realize that the sad truth is that the average normie is a huge retard and the average person on this forum is also a huge retard too.
People here just differ from normies with regards to what they mindlessly trust or believe in.
Normies believe in the "current thing" and the Dems while most people here believe in Trump and his band of MAGA clowns.
Both of these groups are deluded idiots.