I've seen the show before. I saw episodes as a kid, as it played on reruns on channels. Born in the early 90s so obviously it was well before my time, but I enjoyed it unironically as a kid as kids don't pick up on all the silliness.

Then seen about a season of it in my late teens to early 20s on like netflix or something and enjoyed it for it's silliness.

Now watching it again, and yes, I see the bad acting, the campiness, the goofiness, the comedy, and it's all charming and enjoyable, but one thing in particular I absolutely love is that the Joker is just an over the top criminal with a clown gimmick. That's all he is, and it's great.

After all this post-modern waxing poetic from midwit pseudo intellectuals about the deep complexities of Batman and how "isn't it crazy how Batman and the Joker contrast each other...Bats are dark, but he is a symbol for good, and clowns are happy, but he's an agent of chaos" or "they need each other, they both would feel empty if either were gone"

Yadda yadda yadda.

This show, which was more in line with the older Batman comics, which I've never read, is like, "nope, Batman is a deputized member of the police and the Joker is just an eccentric goofy guy with clown makeup who pulls off zany heists."

It's refreshing after decades of Joker obsession from the pop culture/internet.

To me, Tim Burton Batman is the absolute darkest Batman needs to go. Batman 1989 is fun while having a more serious edge, but doesn't go too far with the "seriousness" like with the Nolan crap where it's deep philosophical musings involving a guy running around wearing bat ears.

Nolan Batman is so eye roll inducing....the pretentiousness.

Give me goofy Adam West camp over this "heckin realistic and serious" Batman any day of the week.

60s Batman, Tim Burton Batman, and Batman Forever (yes I like that movie, shut up). That's Batman to me. Everything else is garbage. I like the Arkham games too and a few other miscellaneous Batman stuff, but you get the idea.

Batman and Robin is also garbage. Just stating the obvious so you don't think I'm a contrarian with my enjoyment of Batman Forever. Joel Schumacher got lucky with Batman Forever and I think it's fun and the right amount of goofy whereas Batman and Robin went right off the cliff into the realm of retardation.

Stupid post, but you know how in Raiders of the Lost Ark, you see his house and it's a typical, even slightly small house. Not exactly living the high life.

You'd gotta think he'd be pretty ticked off when he finds out all the other archeologists pretty much just get a permit, and have a relaxing cup of tea in between some digging where they uncover artifacts, meanwhile he's making the same amount of money, but nearly dying about a dozen times each excursion.

I'd be like "I should be living in a mansion right now....not one of these other archeologists have to be so good with a whip that they can whip the gun out of a guys hand right before he shoots you, or in good enough shape to run away from a giant 2 ton boulder....this is some bullcrap".

First off, I like the band. They're one of my favorites. Obviously the old line-up, first albums until they died, not the post-crash bullcrap masquerading as them.

But something that's always struck me is how, unless I missed ever hearing it be talked about, the song Saturday Night Special wasn't considered a sticking point with their fans.

Modern country bands wouldn't dare write a song that's vaguely anti-second amendment.

Yet this song, which is from a Southern 70s band, literally has the lyric in it

"Hand guns are made for killin' They ain't no good for nothin' else....

So why don't we dump 'em, people To the bottom of the sea"

It's the "no one needs an AR-15" of the 70s.

Yeah a lot of murders happened with "Saturday Night Specials" and other handguns and revolvers, but also many lives were saved in self defense or otherwise with those very same guns.

Just pretty crazy that in the 1970s a band that would have a confederate flag on stage, would sing this to adoring crowds and it wasn't a big fuss. Maybe it was, and we're just not privy to it anymore. Someone who was alive back then' perspective would be greatly appreciated.

I've never been "blue pilled". I was raised in a very traditional household, I sort of had a 1950s upbringing which I'm eternally grateful for.

So seeing the nuclear family and having a non feminist, stay at home mother, and a strong father, made it where I naturally despised feminism and these chip on their shoulder liberal female teachers as soon as I encountered them from early age.

But there was a moment I want to highlight as utterly retarded that made me realize that a large chunk of adults and people in general are profoundly stupid and it happened in 9th grade.

It was gym class and Supersize me had come out about 3 years prior, and the gym teacher, a man btw, has our gym class for that day be to watch that documentary.

I could not believe that anyone would be so dumb as to think that documentary was some sort of eye-opening revelation.

The second I knew the concept of it, the only thought was "duh".

Don't eat Mcdonalds every day, it's not good to do that. Where can I contact the Pulitzer prize people, because the brain trust behind that mind-blowing exposé needs to receive it retroactively.

I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone that a grown man would think that this documentary would be an exercise in anything but 1 hour of stating the obvious.

The fact that the documentary itself was incredibly pretentious didn't help either.

And then the dawning realization that it's not just a gym teacher showing this, and students watching it, but some studio actually paid money to get this made.

It really made me question the intelligence of mankind as a whole. Something everyone knows gets made into a documentary. (And yes I know the documentary was full of lies and fudging, but even without those lies, if you need a film to tell you not to eat Mcdonalds too frequently, then you're not long for this world).

Anyways, I just was baffled such a thing existed, and that teachers thought it would be eye-opening to students. I looked around thinking "is everyone morons"?

It would be years of further red-pilling until I finally got my answer...yes. The answer is yes.

If you're like me, you've quoted classic lines from movies throughout your life.

Me and my family will just quote Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park lines like "clever girl" or "that's a name I've not heard in a long time...a long time". You get the idea.

However there's a line that I never quoted that I now quote to myself whenever any headline or statement is made about a person from a leftist point of view.

In Batman 1989 Michael Keaton is describing Jack Napier to the Joker and after saying "he was a bad seed, hurt people", the Joker who is Jack Napier goes "I like him already" and starts laughing.

Basically anytime some liberal fagaloon says something like "I encountered this "transphobic" bigot" I go "I like him already".

Or pick from dozens of scenarios, news headline that states "man with right wing anti government beliefs"....etc, etc, etc.

Jokers line fits so much in clown world (fittingly ironic) that it's probably become my most quoted line, just to myself whenever I'm browsing the internet.

Here's the scene if you're not aware. Starts at 1:47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey9jQYtbH-Y

Any of you guys have any lines that you quote more often because of clown world?

Oh, I forgot, although I used to quote it a good amount because it's a hilarious line even before clown world, I also quote Jesse Ventura's Predator line "Bunch of slack jawed faggots around here" much more now on account of there being much higher amounts of slack jawed faggots.

Sorry if that was one of yours that you were gonna say, but I had to give it an honorable mention.

I don’t want to be gay. Help/advice?

There was a time I thought he was pretty funny. I didn't listen to Opie and Anthony live, but I'd listen to clips on Youtube, even the earliest days of Youtube, I'd listen to them. Jim was very quick-witted and his degenerate lifestyle meant there was plenty of fodder to draw from for the show.

But in recent years I've thought about how he, by being an accepted member of the show, mostly listened to by blue-collar people with typical, probably more right leaning values, he helped introduce even in small ways, troon acceptance into a demographic that otherwise wouldn't be hit with this issue until at least a decade later.

Yes his troon loving ways was played for laughs as a freakshow, but Jim Norton was still respected as a talented comedian and third host of the show.

And in his time there, questions we now recogonize as subversive, get asked like "Is Jim gay? Does liking what "appears to be feminine" make him gay just because the troon has a penis?"

We rightly recognize these framings as something gender studies lunatics try to push forward to get it into acceptance nowadays and subvert truth, but here it was being done for the truckers and the middle-Americans of the world over a decade before it would be done for normies in mainstream culture because it was done with huge spoonful's of ribbing, ball-busting and an unserious and unacademic approach.

I really think Jim Norton deserves some right leaning thinkers on Youtube and other places to sort of call him out and highlight him for what he did to the culture.

I think he played a not-insignificant role in boiling the frog for a demographic way earlier and in a more palatable way than how it would later go on to be presented.

Now to be clear, I don't think this was some Machiavellian orchestrated plan. I think this was just Jim Norton being a degenerate which he fully admits to, and talking about this made for "interesting" radio. I don't think it's any more conspiratorial than that. But he is to blame for talking about it regardless of his motivations. Throughout entertainment history there's been plenty of entertainers with degenerate sexual proclivities who, for the most part, try to keep what they do out of the public eye.

Regardless of the motivation, Jim Norton is to blame for choosing not to keep those things out of the public eye, but actually make it a big aspect of his on-air personality.

Isn't it crazy how we basically are Dumbledore's Army standing up for the "mudbloods" against ICE and the National Guard who want a "Pureblood" nation under their fascist leader Trump aka Voldermort?

I think it's heckin wholesome how the movies are reflecting life right now. My wife and her boyfriend and I got done watching the series and I couldn't help but notice the parallels. [Because JK Rowling is a transphobe, we donate to trans affirming charities every time we watch the Harry Potter series fyi...we call it offsetting the trasnphobic footprint, like a carbon footprint lmao]

Anyways, guess what nazis...in the movies, the deatheaters and voldermort loses and love and literally just letting people exist wins.

In the years past, woke elements in movie trailers and whatnot would just make me feel rage. They still do, but there is a silver lining of shadenfreude of knowing that for the next year to two years, the stuff they wrote, they were making with the thought that Kamala was going to be president.

LIke there's this movie trailer about 2 months ago that Anthony Cumia made fun of, of this black woman president who's an action hero. It's like Air Force One/Die Hard type premise, except the hero is a black woman who is also the president.

You KNOW it was greenlit and written with the thought that when this movie releases we will actually have an Indian err I mean black woman president. So to see the entire reason for this movie existing having the rug pulled out from it is very satisfying. It doesn't even get to serve it's proper purpose of being a demoralizing humiliation ritual.

If anyone sees the trailer while Trump is now president, they laugh and go "man can you imagine....what a bullet we dodged".

Whereas that trailer would have a much different weight of frustration given if Kamala was successfully installed.

So I get a bit of delight seeing the woke trailers (another one being this movie called "one battle after another" by Paul Thomas Anderson...look it up it's woke) because I can envision the writers and directors angry at how "this wasn't supposed to be the world my demoralizing 'vision' got released into!"

I wonder if in 3 years we'll start seeing if movies have a different tone, ones that started their production cycle after Trump already got elected.

As an example, you see with certain countries, they censor things that are subversive. Islamic countries will remove gay stuff as they should.

So that brings me to things like Red Dead Redemption. The first Red Dead Redemption is one of my favorite video games of all time. I also recognize it as utterly subversive.

I love it for the gameplay and skip the cutscenes, but if you don't skip the cutscenes, it's clear that Rockstar was trying to shine their leftist garbage values onto the American cowboy mythos.

What do you do if you're in charge of America? Have the script rewritten and the dialogue redone/revoiced, leave it be, etc?

I'm of the mind that we had the right idea in the 1950s where we opposed subversive communistic/marxist messages in entertainment. If they wanted to get away with it, they had to be subtle enough that most people wouldn't pick up on it back then.

That said, what is and isn't subversive? Is Max Payne subversive? In the first game, I don't notice any subversive bullcrap, but to someone else who considers anything darker and bleaker than the Andy Griffith show to be destructive to the American spirit, Max Payne would be subversive to them.

What's your opinion?

I'm watching TOS again. I never finished it back in the day. Not because I didn't enjoy it, it's just that TV shows, especially long episode length ones are easy for me to get bored of.

But TOS is the only Star Trek I like. I forced myself to watch all of Next generation and didn't care for it. Haven't seen the others, but with Deep Space Nine not being as much about self contained stories but long archs, I see myself hating that even more.

But this is about TOS.

I hear all the time "Star Trek was always a woke show...it's not for you right wingers, yadda yadda yadda".

Well after I watch an episode, I check out the review for it on Jammers reviews and I read the comments.

I swear about 90% of the comments for the original series are pointing out all the stuff they find "problematic".

"I love the plot in this episode, but I hate the portrayal of "insert woman character"

or

"Wow this episode basically took a pro-colonialism stance, that did not age well"

To me, if you have to constantly dodge landmines of things that irritate you in a show, then you're not the target audience.

It would be like me claiming that Marvel movies are right wing entertainment because of things like law and order, justice, etc. Then I'd have to go "but I hate this feminism inserted here, and this race pandering here" and on and on. It would be absurd for me to claim that Marvel movies are conservative if I'm having to constantly express my frustration with woke elements.

Likewise, while there are some philosophical underpinnings to the writers of Star Trek that are subversive and leftist, 98% of what comes through in practice is stuff that's refreshing to me as an old school Conservative Christian.

The very stuff they gripe about is some of the most appealing aspects to me about the show. The Star Trek writers essentially understood the nature of women and wrote them accordingly and realistically to reality as just one example.

And while they did have some left leaning tendencies that sometimes comes through, the thing people don't talk about is how influenced in Christian Conservative thinking even atheists were in their thinking back then by virtue of having grown up and lived in a Christian culture.

Modern Star Trek is an example of how post-Christian thinking has worked it's way into writing.

Well the original 60s Star Trek has so much thinking and viewpoint that was right in line with how normal people viewed things. Yes some liberal stuff got through, and they probably would have gotten away with more if they could have, but there are just generally character attitudes rooted in how men are supposed to be, and how women are supposed to be, and values rooted in at least the concept of objective morality, which they unknowingly are getting from the Christian society.

So I wouldn't claim that Star Trek is a Conservative show, but my point is that when I watch it, it's like a breath of fresh air, while the so called die hard Star Trek fans, have to scrape through with a fine tooth comb to extract the few things they like while having to give caveats about all the "problematic" things.

When there's a show with as much wokeness as the so-called "bigotry" that these Star Trek fans are finding in TOS, then I stop watching that show, I don't claim that I like it, and I certainly don't claim it for my side.

If Star Trek TOS was as "progressive" and "woke" as they claim, I'd be having a hard time watching it, instead of it being like a refreshing gulp of crisp water contrasted with the sewage that is modern day ideology and these "fan" comments wouldn't be filled with statements about how much this and that element are "tough to stomach" and "a product of its time".

I see on here a split of opinion with Christians on Austin Metcalf's dad, here and elsewhere.

I think both are incorrect in their own way.

One side says you don't forgive the unrepentant. Wrong, extremely wrong. Were the ones stoning Stephen to death repentant when he cried out for God to forgive them? No. The Bible puts no qualifications on who to forgive, only that you do.

The other side says he's being a Christian by forgiving the killer, and didn't do anything wrong and what I'd say is it's not wrong to forgive the killer, but I'd say that going on national TV and trying to make sure everyone complies with the cultures values on race has little or nothing to do with forgiveness, and so this side misses the mark.

You see, here's the biggest problem with what Austin Metcalf's dad did.

The black ghetto community needs to repent. They are like, in a way, a seperate nation like Ninevah who is told by all parties, including the church that they're not destined to hell.

Calling to repentance is an act of mercy in the Bible. Jonah didn't want to tell the Ninevites to repent because he didn't want them to experience God's mercy. When John the baptist comes on the scene preaching a message of repentance, it's repeated over and over that God's mercy has come. You want to love black people? Call the violence glorifying culture to repentance and warn them that huge swaths of their culture is akin to something like the Ninevites.

Essentially the dad is saying without realizing it "make sure you don't have any conversations that could be difficult for the inner city to hear, lest they realize their sins and turn and be saved".

Many black people will be going to hell unfortunately because even the church tickles their ear and never calls out their behavior even though the church is more than happy to call out their mostly white congregants behavior (which the church should).

Anyone who objectively looks at the black community can see that they fit the definition of a fool found in proverbs and yet no one wants to touch that subject, including Christians.

So, the dad should forgive the killer, even if it takes time to do, and it's odd that he would be so lacking in paternal instinct that he'd unemotionally virtue signal, which seems less like Biblical forgiveness and more like this modern day utter capitulation and celebration of black culture, and the next thing the father could do, which would be the loving thing and also an extremely dangerous and scary thing, which would be to absolutely address the racial issue. Look, it's not about race. Jesus said go preach to all the nations. By all accounts, the black culture is a foreign nation. They share no values, and their values that are taught from birth are completely leading people to hell. They qualify as a nation that needs repentance.

And as we see in the Bible, in order for people to accept Jesus, they first need to be told what they're violating, where they're astray, and what the consequences of sin are.

I don't see the church doing this with the black community. The exact opposite.

So the "don't forgive the unrepentant" Christians are wrong, as are the Christians who are failing to realize that the black, inner city, thug culture needs to face some extremely harsh facts for their eternal good.

I love the Tim Burton Batman movies, but I've always enjoyed Batman Forever nearly just as much.

Look, Batman and Robin is garbage, I'm not a contrarian, but Batman Forever straddles that edge of campy and cheesy without going over the edge into garbage territory like B&R did.

Batman Forever is one of those movies that was part of my childhood along with Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc.

Yes it's pretty corny, yes Jim Carrey is over the top, but it's a fun movie and it's usually talked about like it's almost as bad as Batman and Robin, but I totally disagree.

I mean Batman Returns itself has got a really strange tone. I flip flop on which I like better, but ultimately I'd say Batman Returns and Batman Forever are about equally as good for different reasons.

I know this forum is more about political stuff in the pop culture, but just wanted to give this pop-culture opinion.

If there's any Batman Forever haters, let's fight about it.

I'll give it a shot.

Not only are "trans-women" truly women....they're the only women.

The only true women are biologically male who identify as women and only true men are biologically women who identify as men.

(I tried to give a rationale for it, but the more I tried to come up with a rationale, the more it started to sound like something a leftist would actually believe because I started invoking words like "Cisgender" and then realized just leaving that statement as is, is more sufficient and crazy sounding than explaining it)