Then stop calling yourself a libertarian and pretending you give a shit about human freedoms. Go be worthless, useless, and an incestuous failure with the other Auth-Right.
If you are so useless that you can't grow up without having a jackboot stomp on everyone else, and you decide to use Jews as a scapegoat for your own personal failures, please, for the love of God, go.
The absolutely retarded narrative you alt-righters push about how you were all staunch libertarians until you realized that the consequences of freedom were too great, and the Jews were too much of a threat, is the most comically fucking concave-brain shit in the world.
It was a comment made somewhat in jest, to show that people are getting fed up with the state of things and, unfortunately, people may be drawn to authoritarianism in a big way.
I was confused why you even brought up Jews until I looked back at my post. I never noticed the nose in that panel. I don't buy into the anti-Jew nonsense that the alt-right loves to spew.
It's refreshing to see someone respond with so much hostility to what looks like an anti-Jew post. It shows this isn't lite-/pol/
It was a comment made somewhat in jest, to show that people are getting fed up with the state of things and, unfortunately, people may be drawn to authoritarianism in a big way.
Sure, your average person who's already mildly authoritarian and protectionist. Not a dedicated libertarian. That's what sets me off. The average person regards Libertarianism as a radical stance which is naive and ignorant. They are told this by every corporatist institution that we have, so it's become the dominant narrative.
The idea of a Libertarian becoming a Fascist is either a rejection of all Libertarian principles (and all right-wing principles anyway because you're still embracing social justice), or it is someone who was never actually concerned about liberty in the first place.
The transition of a Libertarian to a Fascist would be a complete 180 degree turn in every single position he holds. It is easier for a Libertarian to transition to an Anachro-Communist than it would be for them to transition to a Fascist or National Socialist. It's easier for a Stalinist to become a National Socialist, than a Libertarian.
The difference is so fundamental it is effectively visible from space, and it can be identified around the concept of order.
The Authoritarian Right (or really any authoritarian, but the right have lied less about it) believe that order exists only as an imposition upon humanity. Order can only come from the top down. Freedom, as such, is the lack of order. Freedom is chaos only. That is why they claim that true freedom (which is there way of describing contentment) can come only from order.
The Libertarian perspective is the total rejection of that perspective, and it comes from Adam Smith's recognition of emergent order. Freedom is not chaos. Freedom is a lack of imposition & coercion by another force. Freedom is what allows order to emerge from chaos. Order is an emergent property of chaos. Freedom is what allows that new order to form at all. Otherwise a new naturally occurring order is stifled by an imposed order. This is the nature of voluntarism.
These ideas are in absolute contradiction to one another. They can't co-exist. You either believe that order is emergent from chaos, or the result of coercion alone.
From this foundation, there are vast implications. Changing from one perspective to the other requires a rejection of all of the implications of one, and an acceptance of all of the implications of the other. Most humans won't make such a change in their lives because it's such a fundamental concept. It would be as significant of a change as deconversion is. You'd basically never go back after that, and I've really never seen such a process to an authoritarian perspective without the individual effectively being a genuine despot of some kind.
I was confused why you even brought up Jews until I looked back at my post. I never noticed the nose in that panel.
You never noticed that panel where the whole point of the panel is to draw attention to stereotypically large jewish noses, where the primary character turns into a fascist, and the original comic itself is written by a genuine white nationalist?
I feel like this edit get truer by the day.
As someone who usually calls themselves a libertarian, I can certainly relate.
Then stop calling yourself a libertarian and pretending you give a shit about human freedoms. Go be worthless, useless, and an incestuous failure with the other Auth-Right.
If you are so useless that you can't grow up without having a jackboot stomp on everyone else, and you decide to use Jews as a scapegoat for your own personal failures, please, for the love of God, go.
The absolutely retarded narrative you alt-righters push about how you were all staunch libertarians until you realized that the consequences of freedom were too great, and the Jews were too much of a threat, is the most comically fucking concave-brain shit in the world.
It was a comment made somewhat in jest, to show that people are getting fed up with the state of things and, unfortunately, people may be drawn to authoritarianism in a big way.
I was confused why you even brought up Jews until I looked back at my post. I never noticed the nose in that panel. I don't buy into the anti-Jew nonsense that the alt-right loves to spew.
It's refreshing to see someone respond with so much hostility to what looks like an anti-Jew post. It shows this isn't lite-/pol/
Sure, your average person who's already mildly authoritarian and protectionist. Not a dedicated libertarian. That's what sets me off. The average person regards Libertarianism as a radical stance which is naive and ignorant. They are told this by every corporatist institution that we have, so it's become the dominant narrative.
The idea of a Libertarian becoming a Fascist is either a rejection of all Libertarian principles (and all right-wing principles anyway because you're still embracing social justice), or it is someone who was never actually concerned about liberty in the first place.
The transition of a Libertarian to a Fascist would be a complete 180 degree turn in every single position he holds. It is easier for a Libertarian to transition to an Anachro-Communist than it would be for them to transition to a Fascist or National Socialist. It's easier for a Stalinist to become a National Socialist, than a Libertarian.
The difference is so fundamental it is effectively visible from space, and it can be identified around the concept of order.
The Authoritarian Right (or really any authoritarian, but the right have lied less about it) believe that order exists only as an imposition upon humanity. Order can only come from the top down. Freedom, as such, is the lack of order. Freedom is chaos only. That is why they claim that true freedom (which is there way of describing contentment) can come only from order.
The Libertarian perspective is the total rejection of that perspective, and it comes from Adam Smith's recognition of emergent order. Freedom is not chaos. Freedom is a lack of imposition & coercion by another force. Freedom is what allows order to emerge from chaos. Order is an emergent property of chaos. Freedom is what allows that new order to form at all. Otherwise a new naturally occurring order is stifled by an imposed order. This is the nature of voluntarism.
These ideas are in absolute contradiction to one another. They can't co-exist. You either believe that order is emergent from chaos, or the result of coercion alone.
From this foundation, there are vast implications. Changing from one perspective to the other requires a rejection of all of the implications of one, and an acceptance of all of the implications of the other. Most humans won't make such a change in their lives because it's such a fundamental concept. It would be as significant of a change as deconversion is. You'd basically never go back after that, and I've really never seen such a process to an authoritarian perspective without the individual effectively being a genuine despot of some kind.
You never noticed that panel where the whole point of the panel is to draw attention to stereotypically large jewish noses, where the primary character turns into a fascist, and the original comic itself is written by a genuine white nationalist?
True. Many of get jobs instead of complaining about Jews and Immigrants taking them.