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posted 5 years ago by evilplushie 5 years ago by evilplushie +80 / -0
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– Adamrises 23 points 5 years ago +23 / -0

Some doctors did horrible things? Shut the whole thing down. Pay no attention to the horrific aftermath.

Some cops did horrible things? Well you see where this is going.

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– Bramble 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Just wait until they see what's happening in medicine or government.

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– PalaeolithicRaccoon 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

I thought it was Reagan who did it - to save money or some shit. I don't remember it having ANYTHING at all to do with lobotomies and shock treatment, which had ALREADY BEEN OUTLAWED. Shit, I think they had stopped doing it by the time the Cuckoo's Nest movie came out (and that wasn't any protest about mental asylums, either; the book, at least, was meant to warn Kesey's hippie friends not to take the "insanity plea" because of the thought that one can just cruise their way back out sooner than a jail term would end. Which is exactly what Funnyface main character thought. What a maroon.)

But the second part is correct, it's the Left going after cops now because "bad stuff".

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– Adamrises 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

Reagan was able to do it, because of how absolutely hated they were in the public conscious because of those previous horrors. It was a double win, an easy target no one would miss AND an appearance of saving tax money.

You can't shut down a popular institution, and those viral stories of mad monster doctors made sure it was an easy sell. Even if they aren't true, rare, or in the past (see anything claimed by Blacks, Women or Gays when they petition for "change" for how this is still used).

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– hungryfreaksdaddy 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

The book, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, is based as fuck. It called out the medicalization of "toxic masculinity" and the dangers of female tyranny over 50 years ago.

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– PalaeolithicRaccoon 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

See, everyone reads Nurse Ratched wrong. And in the book, we're seeing her through Chief Broom's eyes; in the movie, through the sleazy criminal's.

Remember that everyone except Jack Nicholson and Chief Broom were there voluntarily. They signed their own selves in, which means they can sign their own selves out pretty much any time they wish (as long as their doctor deems them harmless to themselves and others.)

But when someone else - such as the police, or the courts - sign you in, you're in until they damn well decide to let you go. Chief Broom had serious mental issues (he thought everyone else but him was some kind of robot), and was actually dangerous. Ratched knew this.

She also knew that McDummy was sleazeball repeat offender who was trying to abuse the system; no mental illness, just a petty criminal jackass typical hippie of the sort we're seeing still. I have known people like this, they just don't care, and they keep this mentality well past their 40s.

Ratched is mostly working for the salvagable ones, the ones who checked themselves in - the ones who WANT to be helped. And part of that help is keeping them on a kind of schedule, and I don't think I can explain properly just how important that is, when you're not in a position to take it for granted, and you're basically left on your own devices ...

Her job was simply about as thankless as a drill sergeant's. And if you're rooting for Jack's character, you're rooting for the wrong guy. He's a villain protaganist.

That being said, there's no defending lobotomies and shock treatments, but as I said, those were already been legislated out. But keep in mind that psychologists usually have their own pathologies that run towards "cruel streak", look at what they do to non-humans, ffs. They love shocking living, feeling beings.

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– hungryfreaksdaddy 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

I disagree. Mental illness can be a very subjective thing. Don't forget the the DSM recently classified "toxic masculinity" as a mental illness. Do you really want a group of academics to be able to take away someone's liberty when they have committed no crime? If someone is not a proven danger to others, they ought to have the freedom to live their lives as they wish, even if they have a mental illness.

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