I'll wait and see more, but initially, I'm going against the grain on this one. This was a major ICE fuckup. Even if the guy drew a gun, it should not have gotten to that point. Yeah, he shouldn't resist or provoke (if he did the latter.) He certainly shouldn't draw a gun, if he did.
But ICE should be trained enough where six guys can detain one dumbass who's already on the ground, without using lethal force. Grab his fucking arms. This was incompetent nonsense, and resulted in the death of (I think) an American citizen.
If you have to use lethal force on a guy who's on the ground and surrounded by you and your buddies, you've messed up. ONE trained guy should be able to take down a guy on the ground. Two certainly should. Six ABSOLUTELY should.
Again, I'll wait for more information, but I doubt I'll be defending this shoot. Looks bad.
I agree with this assessment, however I'm also at the point where I don't actually care that the person got shot. All these people out causing trouble for ICE are betraying the nation and actively working to see it invaded. Whether or not this a fuck up by ICE or not, the fact remains that these idiots all deserve to hang at the gallows.
Yeah, but we can't have fedbois out there unjustly killing people.
The dude was probably a retard and a traitor (he was blocking the street and causing trouble, it seems), and if he'd been killed while on his feet and clearly drawing a gun, yeah, that's on him.
But if fedbois are this inept and this ready to use lethal force, that's a danger to all of us. Most of the people filming ICE are leftist agitators, but you do have a right to film in public...and ICE doesn't like that.
I'd be afraid to film ICE, and I could literally get killed for it, even if I support what they're doing at the time, and am not disrupting them.
That's an incredibly bad scenario for all Americans, no matter how you feel about leftist traitors.
My issue is the incompetence. If you want reciprocal violence, that's one thing. But this isn't 'based leftoid removal' or anything. It's incompetent fedbois blasting a dude because they're incapable of restraining him, and too quick to jump to the extreme option.
It's mostly leftists recording ICE but, as an American, I reserve the right to as well. And if I did, I do think I'd be in danger, because ICE in their present form is that incompetent and unhinged. It's gotten really bad.
Americans shouldn't have to fear feds killing them in the streets for filming. That's terrorism, and that's kind of where we are, no matter how you feel about leftists.
It's like ICE is trying to prove the leftist lunatics correct on their wild claims about ICE.
I'll wait and see more, but initially, I'm going against the grain on this one. This was a major ICE fuckup. Even if the guy drew a gun, it should not have gotten to that point. Yeah, he shouldn't resist or provoke (if he did the latter.) He certainly shouldn't draw a gun, if he did.
But ICE should be trained enough where six guys can detain one dumbass who's already on the ground, without using lethal force. Grab his fucking arms. This was incompetent nonsense, and resulted in the death of (I think) an American citizen.
If you have to use lethal force on a guy who's on the ground and surrounded by you and your buddies, you've messed up. ONE trained guy should be able to take down a guy on the ground. Two certainly should. Six ABSOLUTELY should.
Again, I'll wait for more information, but I doubt I'll be defending this shoot. Looks bad.
I agree with this assessment, however I'm also at the point where I don't actually care that the person got shot. All these people out causing trouble for ICE are betraying the nation and actively working to see it invaded. Whether or not this a fuck up by ICE or not, the fact remains that these idiots all deserve to hang at the gallows.
Yeah, but we can't have fedbois out there unjustly killing people.
The dude was probably a retard and a traitor (he was blocking the street and causing trouble, it seems), and if he'd been killed while on his feet and clearly drawing a gun, yeah, that's on him.
But if fedbois are this inept and this ready to use lethal force, that's a danger to all of us. Most of the people filming ICE are leftist agitators, but you do have a right to film in public...and ICE doesn't like that.
I'd be afraid to film ICE, and I could literally get killed for it, even if I support what they're doing at the time, and am not disrupting them.
That's an incredibly bad scenario for all Americans, no matter how you feel about leftist traitors.
My rebuttal. Ashli Babbit.
Liberals already kill us with no justification and total immunity. Failing to respond in kind is just offering our throats.
I 1000% don't care how many of them die, because they're traitors and death is what they deserve.
My issue is the incompetence. If you want reciprocal violence, that's one thing. But this isn't 'based leftoid removal' or anything. It's incompetent fedbois blasting a dude because they're incapable of restraining him, and too quick to jump to the extreme option.
It's mostly leftists recording ICE but, as an American, I reserve the right to as well. And if I did, I do think I'd be in danger, because ICE in their present form is that incompetent and unhinged. It's gotten really bad.
Americans shouldn't have to fear feds killing them in the streets for filming. That's terrorism, and that's kind of where we are, no matter how you feel about leftists.
It's like ICE is trying to prove the leftist lunatics correct on their wild claims about ICE.
You'll get no disagreement from me. The feds being this liberal with their application of lethal force is cause for concern.
That said, I have zero sympathy for people deserving of a traitor's death getting a traitor's death. These two things are not in contradiction.
As I’ve said before it’s sad and scary how many people have been brainwashed to think that enforcing immigration laws is some form of Nazism