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Just saw the video compilation of various angles made by Asmongold (or whoever) about the ICE shooting in Minneapolis.This is what they're making their 'cause celebre'. :') (www.youtube.com)
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– Kienan 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

Even if you don't have a problem with the immorality, would you not at least try to be strategic?

Right? Not to say I'm correct about everything, but you can easily straddle the line on this; she did fuck around and find out, and a sane person wouldn't have done that...it should also still be sad that a woman lost her life. And we should be asking if there was a way to avoid that.

I like how Darryl Cooper is obviously a very humane guy, but he's constantly called an evil nutsi. To be honest, I'm not interested in his history - I prefer historians for that - but his takes on current affairs I think are very good.

Do you listen to Provoked, his podcast with Scott Horton? It's pretty good, and it's interesting to see them bounce off each other. I like both the guys, and think they're both operating in good faith, so it's interesting when they clash sometimes. Scott failed the 'nationalism' question on one ep, and I was much more on Darryl's side.

As to history, I haven't heard too much but, among other ones, do find his series on WW2 fascinating. That first episode about WW1 is absolutely horrific, in both the best and worst way. Trench warfare ain't nothing to scoff at. And Ernst Junger was an absolute boss.

I think this is bad for the admin

Probably. Still feels like they wanted it, or were too stupid to avoid it, though. No matter who you think is at fault in this particular incident...it's not an unpredictable outcome. I was talking about ICE killing someone and leftists burning cities months ago.

And yet always worth reading.

Thanks, but I should learn to be more concise...

They justified Ashli Babbitt, even though she was unarmed, and now they're saying that you cannot ever shoot an unarmed woman

Because they don't have standards or integrity, and live in their own reality.

(a car aimed at you is arguably a weapon, but whether it was used like that is controversial) when it's their ox being gored.

It was used like that, or at least presented such a danger. I don't think, and never did think, that she intentionally tried to run the agent over. It's also not relevant to his reaction, though.

As to cars as weapons, they absolutely can be, and sometimes are. Ironically, it was Tucker himself who had a great bit about all the 'unarmed blacks gunned down by police,' and he did a breakdown, pointing out how they were almost all armed in one way or another; I think one officer was even pinned between two vehicles when he fired. That was classified as him killing an unarmed person. That's just insane.

The most maddening thing about MAGA cheering for Venezuela. Those deep state goons who want that hate you more than Maduro.

It's not even MAGA at this point, that's what's really sad. MAGA is dead. It's a skinsuit operated by Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, and Laura Loomer now. A bunch of Never Trumpers somehow convinced Trump and MAGA that they are Core MAGA, and everyone else is a traitor.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 145 days ago +1 / -0

Right? Not to say I'm correct about everything, but you can easily straddle the line on this; she did fuck around and find out, and a sane person wouldn't have done that...it should also still be sad that a woman lost her life. And we should be asking if there was a way to avoid that.

It's not that hard either. I agree that she FAFO, but a lot of people use that phrase in a celebratory manner, as if: yay, we finally got one of theirs.

Do you listen to Provoked, his podcast with Scott Horton? It's pretty good, and it's interesting to see them bounce off each other. I like both the guys, and think they're both operating in good faith, so it's interesting when they clash sometimes. Scott failed the 'nationalism' question on one ep, and I was much more on Darryl's side.

I do. It's quite good, and it's a shame that it's weekly. With all of Trump's clown wars, it would need to be daily to keep track of developments.

I mentioned him before I listened to the lastest Provoked. What's interesting is that what he said was almost identical to my own thoughts. Except for his claim that it's exactly like Charlie Kirk, but I still admire his ability to call out his own tribe forcefully. He also had the exact same reaction to the admin calling her a domestic terrrorist and making judgments almost immediately. What a nazi! When I grow up, I want to be a nazi too.

As to history, I haven't heard too much but, among other ones, do find his series on WW2 fascinating. That first episode about WW1 is absolutely horrific, in both the best and worst way. Trench warfare ain't nothing to scoff at. And Ernst Junger was an absolute boss.

I said it when a leftist Rome-history podcaster was discussed, and shockingly, people here actually agreed with it. Probably because I was saying it about someone who was on the left. But I would rather get my history from the source rather than through the telephone-game of a podcaster who isn't a historian.

Probably. Still feels like they wanted it, or were too stupid to avoid it, though. No matter who you think is at fault in this particular incident...it's not an unpredictable outcome. I was talking about ICE killing someone and leftists burning cities months ago.

For now, it seems that they're not burning cities, probably because Trump is a bit less of a joke this time around. BTW, we were discussing his first term. Allowing your country to be burned down, and then saying "well, they were Democrat areas anyway" to justify your inaction was a big no-no to me.

Because they don't have standards or integrity, and live in their own reality.

I see the same on the right. Maybe not quite as bad. But they spent years attacking cancel culture and censorship at universities, only to do that for Israel. I opposed that when I was supporting Israel. It seems the GOP establishment supports it to protect Israel, and people here because "some deportations of foreigners are better than none". Not sure that's worth sacrificing free speech rights over for Israel...

It was used like that, or at least presented such a danger. I don't think, and never did think, that she intentionally tried to run the agent over. It's also not relevant to his reaction, though.

I'd say that if she had tried, then there shouldn't even be any question: of course he should have shot her in that case. So in that sense, it is relevant. I think you mean: even if she didn't try, that doesn't automatically make him wrong, and I also agree with that.

As to cars as weapons, they absolutely can be, and sometimes are. Ironically, it was Tucker himself who had a great bit about all the 'unarmed blacks gunned down by police,' and he did a breakdown, pointing out how they were almost all armed in one way or another; I think one officer was even pinned between two vehicles when he fired. That was classified as him killing an unarmed person. That's just insane.

It is insane. I just said that because I didn't want anyone driving a car ever to be equated with someone wielding a deadly weapon. Obviously, if you're using it like that, it's different.

It's not even MAGA at this point, that's what's really sad. MAGA is dead. It's a skinsuit operated by Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, and Laura Loomer now. A bunch of Never Trumpers somehow convinced Trump and MAGA that they are Core MAGA, and everyone else is a traitor.

The thing is, how have they commandeered what Trump does, and how do they manage to convince the MAGA base. It's not fully a cult, as someone correctly pointed out to me (Iran, Epstein), but it sure looks like a cult when people go from "no regime change" to "yay regime change" over the course of a week.

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– Kienan 1 point 145 days ago +1 / -0

Except for his claim that it's exactly like Charlie Kirk

It's disappointing to see smart people make such a dumb argument. Tucker did it too. One was a guy sitting there talking, another was driving a car toward an armed agent. Whether you think she "deserved" it or not, one killing was infinitely more justifiable, since there was at least potential cause.

I see the same on the right. Maybe not quite as bad. But they spent years attacking cancel culture and censorship at universities, only to do that for Israel.

I don't see it as near a big of an issue, and not nearly as universal on the right but, yeah, there have been some big failures and hypocrisies.

The thing is, how have they commandeered what Trump does, and how do they manage to convince the MAGA base. It's not fully a cult, as someone correctly pointed out to me (Iran, Epstein), but it sure looks like a cult when people go from "no regime change" to "yay regime change" over the course of a week.

It's not always the same people...but often is. Yeah, very culty. "No regime change...oh, Trump is doing regime change, we have to support it now." Sad.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 145 days ago +1 / -0

It's disappointing to see smart people make such a dumb argument. Tucker did it too. One was a guy sitting there talking, another was driving a car toward an armed agent. Whether you think she "deserved" it or not, one killing was infinitely more justifiable, since there was at least potential cause.

Yeah. I can see it used as a way to hold up a mirror to the right, as in "how would you feel if people talked about Charlie Kirk like that?"

I think they're good people and let their moral outrage drive them to that argument.

I don't see it as near a big of an issue, and not nearly as universal on the right but, yeah, there have been some big failures and hypocrisies.

Maybe not the biggest issue, but free speech is pretty important. And Trump is literally forcing universities to enact DEI policies for Jewish students, and hate speech codes. I was ambivalent at first, thinking that it was a weapon to crush these leftist universities, but unfortunately it was just what it seemed.

It's not always the same people...but often is. Yeah, very culty. "No regime change...oh, Trump is doing regime change, we have to support it now." Sad.

Many of the people I liked sold out. Matt Gaetz. Steve Bannon. I liked Cernovich and Jack Posobiec on war, but they're insufferable. And Nikki Haley's brat (named Nalin Haley like a porn parody of Nikki) was very reasonable on Tucker Carlson, only to go, and I quote: "Stfu America runs the world. We do what tf we want when we want. WE ARE THE LAW". Just embarrassing.

This must be how it feels to be a leftist and be on the same side as blue-haired people with 19 facial piercings talking about trans genocide and queerliberation requiring police abolition.

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– Kienan 2 points 145 days ago +2 / -0

Maybe not the biggest issue, but free speech is pretty important. And Trump is literally forcing universities to enact DEI policies for Jewish students, and hate speech codes.

Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Many of the people I liked sold out. Matt Gaetz. Steve Bannon. I liked Cernovich and Jack Posobiec on war, but they're insufferable. And Nikki Haley's brat (named Nalin Haley like a porn parody of Nikki) was very reasonable on Tucker Carlson, only to go, and I quote: "Stfu America runs the world. We do what tf we want when we want. WE ARE THE LAW". Just embarrassing.

Fuck, I liked the Haley kid on Tucker as well; he seemed to have his head on straight. Embarrassing indeed if he switched like that, absolute nonsense. I liked Bannon, but haven't trusted him in ages. Shame about Gaetz though; he seemed pretty solid. How hard is it to just remain anti-war/intervention? Wow.

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