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Just saw the video compilation of various angles made by Asmongold (or whoever) about the ICE shooting in Minneapolis.This is what they're making their 'cause celebre'. :') (www.youtube.com)
posted 179 days ago by LastRights 179 days ago by LastRights +27 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 15 points 179 days ago +15 / -0

The right is in big trouble when a nitwit who doesn't shower, has a "dead rat alarm clock" and panicked about Mamdani introducing "Arabic numerals" in schools, is one of its most prominent commentators.

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– Kienan 3 points 179 days ago +3 / -0

I don't dislike Asmon, but he does have some character traits I really don't appreciate.

Foremost, he doesn't do his research, but speaks with absolute authority or confidence. So he'll react to things where he doesn't have the full context or story, and then present himself as something approaching an expert. It's a pretty infuriating pattern.

When he's right, he's right; I think he has decent instincts, and his ideology seems relatively "based" outside of some blind spots. But he's inconsistent, and since he goes off halfcocked, when he gets it wrong, he can get it very wrong. And, most frustrating, just gets it wrong for incredibly simple and avoidable reasons...the aforementioned not doing any research. He just reacts. Which is fine, if he also wasn't taken as some sort of "thought leader." Which isn't his fault, but it's just weird.

Also, I hate to see all these people I to some extent like dive headfirst into the 'I'm ignoring history and past statements, US interventionism is great and necessary now (because Daddy Trump.)' Just like with October 7th reactions, and just like with Iran reactions, Venezuela/Iran 2 is making me lose some respect for people I like.

I fear the 'breakfast question' has even more dire answers than I had feared, and even people who talk about the breakfast question often fail the test themselves. Which is wild.

Also, no matter how you feel about this ICE shooting, I really hate the bloodthirstiness some people on "my side" are exhibiting. I heard it put well, I think by Daryl Cooper (who sadly also missed some obvious stuff and got things wrong for no reason), that this was a 'can, not should' shooting. i.e. the lady probably crossed enough lines so the agent will have a decent defense for pulling the trigger...but doesn't mean that's what was called for in that situation.

Kind of what I've been saying; she takes most of the blame for putting herself in that situation, and behaving like a lunatic, but doesn't mean I like the outcome, and doesn't mean the agent behaved perfectly. And, sadly, I think both sides wanted this. The left to prove their point, the right/admin so they can point to the riots and get more support for increased crackdowns. It's also just fucking midterms nonsense.

Lastly, because I realize this is another essay, but this is an interesting point I haven't seen anyone make. Most people are talking about self defense, but I do see some talking about duty to protect as well. People keep talking about duty to protect when it comes to killing Americans. 'He had to pull the trigger, or she would have driven off and killed someone else. You can't let her leave the scene.' But, if she actually had been driving right at a pedestrian, that agent has no duty to stop the car and save the pedestrian, if he fears for his own life. People can't have it both ways. There is no duty to protect, so he had no obligation to stop her from leaving the scene. They had her plate...they had her "partner," so she wasn't going to escape justice either. We can talk self defense, that's certainly valid, but the idea that he had to stop her from leaving is just not correct.

Again, she takes most of the blame for doing what she did, but the whole thing was avoidable from all angles and, to my point, I don't like to see people cheering this on. Or even overly justifying it, even if it was justifiable. While law and order is very important, we do also have to be wary of further normalizing the killing of Americans, even retarded ones. They want a federal policy force; they almost officially got it under Biden, and they're doing something similar under Trump. This will come back around and target us, too. No matter how you all feel about this crazy leftist, a lot of the people pulling the 'law and order' strings hate us as well.

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– Stagecoach 5 points 179 days ago +5 / -0

be wary of further normalizing the killing of Americans

You mean self-defense? We shouldn't normalize defending ourselves when our lives are threatened? This is the type of thinking that turns your country into Canada.

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– Kienan 1 point 178 days ago +1 / -0

I've defended plenty of police killings, including this one. I don't think whether or not we as a people are okay with police killing our own citizens is the measure of whether or not we become like Canada, though.

Also, it's worth pointing out Canada is more authoritarian, even if it might not get to physical might as frequently. More trust in government is how you become Canada, not avoiding becoming them.

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– Stagecoach 2 points 178 days ago +2 / -0

Yeah, we could say the death of George Floyd was tragic and avoidable too, but we don't. And that's not just because we don't believe Chauvin really caused his death. It's also because we knew Floyd was an awful person and we know the cops were doing their job the best they can.

Believing that ICE agents, who are required to face dangerous situations and people who want to kill them on a daily basis (to a much greater extent than an average cop I might add) should be given a little slack doesn't really put us in a position of being tyrannized by a police state. It doesn't even really require us to believe or trust anything the government says, because we already have the video evidence to see exactly what happened during and before the incident.

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