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Interesting Christopher Caldwell quote on the Venezuela coup
posted 152 days ago by AntonioOfVenice 152 days ago by AntonioOfVenice +30 / -0

Empires seem to deploy their powers to the maximum, desisting only when they no longer have the wherewithal. We may soon be reminded that it was American decline that put Mr. Trump in a position to set American foreign policy in the first place.

https://archive.is/lRGq2

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– Kienan 1 point 152 days ago +1 / -0

They have Vassal Syndrome. It's honestly embarrassing to pay taxes to such shoe shine boys. I think it would take an actual military assault on Greenland to cure them.

Oh, shit. Do I have to support a Trump takeover of Greenland now?! Damn...

I'm not sure actual military control is possible at the moment.

Imperialism/colonialism has always involved using the local forces, though. You don't need full American military takeover to still have America running the place. Which is probably what they're aiming for; put whoever Their Guy is in Venezuela, who will serve American interests.

I'm writing essays because I'm trying to think things through as I'm discussing it.

Yup, pretty much same here.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 152 days ago +1 / -0

Oh, shit. Do I have to support a Trump takeover of Greenland now?! Damn...

I'm conflicted... at least there will be a silver lining. Worst case scenario for me is if they give Greenland away because they're pathetic bleating sheep.

Imperialism/colonialism has always involved using the local forces, though

True. I was about to say 'with a garrison', but then I remembered that the US has armed forces stationed in basically every country.

Which is probably what they're aiming for; put whoever Their Guy is in Venezuela, who will serve American interests.

If rumors are to be believed, then the new Venezuelan president is their guy and willing to serve their interests. Now I wonder if she's biding her time (the military buildup near Venezuela is not sustainable in the long run), because in my limited imagination, it's hard to believe that she'll just do whatever America says for the heck of it.

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– Kienan 2 points 152 days ago +2 / -0

because in my limited imagination, it's hard to believe that she'll just do whatever America says for the heck of it.

"Machado was part of Yale University's Yale World Fellows program in 2009. She was also part of Young Global Leaders in 2005, and again in 2011."

She's not a Venezuelan patriot, she's a globalist, with a master's in finance to boot. And here she is meeting President Bush in 2005

If working with America gets her what she wants, she'll play ball.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 152 days ago +1 / -0

Oh, I meant Maduro's vice-president, who is also a woman (sorry Imp). She also seems to be playing game. But who knows? Things are not always what they seem. And even puppets who are installed, when their position is strengthened, are much less interested in serving their patrons than when the patrons' help was more needed.

Did we get any conspiracy theories about how Ivanka got Trump to do this to get a member of the Nazi gender into power?

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– Kienan 1 point 152 days ago +1 / -0

Oh, yeah, she's a woman too. When you said "she" I assumed Machado.

Yeah, considering VP lady was condemning the US and demanding Maduro back, I don't really see that relationship being that solid, that's true.

Did we get any conspiracy theories about how Ivanka got Trump to do this to get a member of the Nazi gender into power?

Surprisingly, I don't think so. He kind of dropped the focus on specific women, it seems, and more talked about vague "natalist" powers puppeteering Trump, without elaborating.

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