Well more broadly the US had to adapt far reaching initiatives that were close to National Socialism to win the war. You had governments controlling everything through rationing, cracking down on war desent, domestic spying yada yada.
And following the war the importation of German scientists and specialists continuing working under those same initiatives bleed into and influenced those programs, that they became the same things the US fought against. The American space race was a continuination of the German rocket program, for example.
I'm wondering what some of the smart people on this forum feel about this theory
Post-WW2 America became the militaristic bully that Germany wanted to be. I'm not sure what it has to do with Operation Paperclip. You could argue that it's part of a moral collapse, but if you look at what the US had been doing on its own hemisphere - it wasn't exactly 'moral' before.
I'm not clear on the details of Paperclip. I assume most were fairly apolitical scientists. However, there are instances of Japanese and German war criminals and practitioners of horrendous medical experiments being let off to participate in what later became MK-Ultra.
Yep, we were already a regional militaristic bully before the world wars. Ever heard of Smedley Butler? Marine general who won the medal of honor twice and later wrote a book titled War is a Racket. The way he described this period was, "I served in all commissioned ranks from a second lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers." Only difference was we moved from regional to world-class after the war.
Hard to believe this was written 100 years ago and not today.
Yeah, between the banana wars and the business plot, reading up on Butler's life is a pretty wild rabbit hole.
I don't think the argument is a moral one. It's not so much the NAZIs made America bad, it's that they became so intrinsic in American post war government and programs that those programs became NAZI'fied. And because those programs were so important to post war America, America became what the NAZIs wanted Germany to become.
Take NASA and the space race. The American space program was filled with former NAZIs and they were pretty much continuing the rocket program the NAZIs started. So how much NAZI influence is baked into the American space program?
So a more retarded version of "captive Greece captured its savage conqueror"? I don't see how that would remotely be possible, let alone that we don't have any evidence for it.
Can you link the video? (BTW, I wanted to say that people should not get their history from tards on Youtube, but as I'm as guilty of watching tards on Youtube, I felt hypocritical saying that.)
How exactly would Nazi influence manifest itself in a space program? There is no Nazi way to build a rocket.
I can link the video but it's about the show "Man in the High Castle" not a deep dive into it.
https://youtu.be/FOBPjCPIrVk?si=eRIlueXpCWfrn9p4
Considering the outcome of NAZI rockets versus everyone else the NAZI way seems to be the correct way, lol. I don't think it's about the blueprints or nuts and bolts. It's a more metaphysical argument that something so important to post war America, like the space race was basically possible and won because of NAZI scientists. Now the extent of their ideologies bleeding into those institutions is what I'm curious about. It could be none, like you suggest.
If I can rely on an AI summary, bit of a vague argument. Nazi scientists being mainstreamed is probably more a case of "them being on ourr side" than their ideology prevailing.
Tribalism is probably the most powerful force in the world. Just look at the people who oppose "regime change" until their cult leader does one. Or for that matter, all the leftist anti-war people who opposed war until Obama did them.
Hard to quantify, I think. Also, I doubt that most of those people were hardcore Nazis. But let's do the hypothetical. Let's say that Nazis completely took over NASA. Would that really have that much of an impact? The Soviet nuclear program was famously pioneered by Andrei Sakharov. All it got him was prestige that he later used to be a dissident.