You are bringing two distinct arguments to the same table here.

I'm against religion as a rule to live by. We can happily discuss the reasons behind that if you want.

The purpose of your thread, from my inferences of it, seems to be exploring how a group can protect its own because an external government cannot. I find this to be a worthwhile thing to explore and why a particular group can do this whilst others seemingly cannot.

Ball's in your court person who throws about childish insults as if they hold any weight xD