The point is the jews think Jesus is in hell, in a vat of boiling excrement, for disagreeing with the priests.
Think that through, Dinesh. The jews ignore our salvation. It was part of God's plan that his Son was sacrificed, it was not part of his plan that the tribe would fail to learn the lesson, and would seek to create world wars and self inflected holocausts in an effort to give the world over to Satan.
it was not part of his plan that the tribe would fail to learn the lesson,
Bold of you to assume God's plan. God created Satan, the adversary, just to have something approaching meaningful conflict to Himself. I would say that God's machinations are far beyond us, but at least I know He is omnipotent, His plans are far more encompassing than what we could ever devise. It could be a stepping stone to some greater long-term purpose.
just to have something approaching meaningful conflict to Himself.
I do not find anything in scripture to support this. This seems like a very childish understanding of God.
I would say that God's machinations are far beyond us
Yet you just explained what they were. Which is it? You don't know what you're talking about or you do?
His plans are far more encompassing than what we could ever devise.
That's what priests say in order to move you away from God. Please make an effort to see through this clap trap. It sounds like you're making excuses. Is that what God wants from you?
It could be a stepping stone to some greater long-term purpose.
It doesn't change what your obligations are and what He has openly and rather plainly demanded from you.
You've been infected by priestly ramblings. Discard them.
God created Satan, the adversary, just to have something approaching meaningful conflict to Himself.
We're getting all theological and shit here.
This isn't in my wheelhouse, to be clear, but my understanding is - and this is backed up by logic if you believe in free will - God didn't create Lucifer to be the adversary, He created angels, and the angel Lucifer used his freewill to rebel. Sure, God knew this, because, well, God, and Lucifer was allowed to choose that path, but as the other commenter said, I'm not clear on there being many arguments for "God creating Satan as the adversary."
If you take freewill out of the equation, the rebellion has no impact anyway. Lucifer chose to rebel against God.
Lucifer and Satan are not one in the same. Oathbreaker and adversary are two different entities.
As an aside to the general crowd, WOW, lotta people think God is not Great, but tiny, mortal-minded, and small here. Not to you specifically, but to the others out there: Newsflash, God's smarter than you. No matter how le clever redditor you may be.
The point is the jews think Jesus is in hell, in a vat of boiling excrement, for disagreeing with the priests.
Think that through, Dinesh. The jews ignore our salvation. It was part of God's plan that his Son was sacrificed, it was not part of his plan that the tribe would fail to learn the lesson, and would seek to create world wars and self inflected holocausts in an effort to give the world over to Satan.
Fucking mental midget this guy.
Bold of you to assume God's plan. God created Satan, the adversary, just to have something approaching meaningful conflict to Himself. I would say that God's machinations are far beyond us, but at least I know He is omnipotent, His plans are far more encompassing than what we could ever devise. It could be a stepping stone to some greater long-term purpose.
I do not find anything in scripture to support this. This seems like a very childish understanding of God.
Yet you just explained what they were. Which is it? You don't know what you're talking about or you do?
That's what priests say in order to move you away from God. Please make an effort to see through this clap trap. It sounds like you're making excuses. Is that what God wants from you?
It doesn't change what your obligations are and what He has openly and rather plainly demanded from you.
You've been infected by priestly ramblings. Discard them.
We're getting all theological and shit here.
This isn't in my wheelhouse, to be clear, but my understanding is - and this is backed up by logic if you believe in free will - God didn't create Lucifer to be the adversary, He created angels, and the angel Lucifer used his freewill to rebel. Sure, God knew this, because, well, God, and Lucifer was allowed to choose that path, but as the other commenter said, I'm not clear on there being many arguments for "God creating Satan as the adversary."
If you take freewill out of the equation, the rebellion has no impact anyway. Lucifer chose to rebel against God.
Lucifer and Satan are not one in the same. Oathbreaker and adversary are two different entities.
As an aside to the general crowd, WOW, lotta people think God is not Great, but tiny, mortal-minded, and small here. Not to you specifically, but to the others out there: Newsflash, God's smarter than you. No matter how le clever redditor you may be.
I presume you're eating downvotes for being not only being condescendingly smug, but also contradictory in your own explanation of God's plan.
No, satan isn't God's adversary, he's humanity's adversary.