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We've tried everything except solving the actual problem. Why isn't the birth rate going back up? (archive.is)
posted 259 days ago by TheOutlaw 259 days ago by TheOutlaw +73 / -0
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– Sumsuch 6 points 259 days ago +6 / -0

Because too many of us haven't been stepping up to the plate and taking action on that issue ourselves.

Run around in circles in your heads however you like, but until that happens it's going to continue.

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– MargarineMongoose 25 points 259 days ago +25 / -0

If you try to take women's rights away as an individual then the government will just show up and lock you in a cage. So unless you have some practical suggestions you should probably shut up and stop glowing.

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– Sumsuch 10 points 259 days ago +10 / -0

I guess one problem that's come up with online debate is that too many of us assume that those we're talking with share a similar cultural background. For us, the "standard method" has been to groom yourself well, have polite interactions with the women you meet through your day, and when you encounter someone that you fancy, who shows signs of interest in you herself, you ask her for lunch/coffee or something similar. Then while you're there, you discuss your interests to see how closely aligned they are, and whether or not you can agree on a similar life plan. It may take longer to establish, and there's a lot of flirty interplay for those who put effort into such, but the point is to recognize that men and women do both want to live with each other, you just have to work things out so both of you are going into it with a mutual goal.

It doesn't even have to be a terribly long process if you find the right person. For both my parents and my sister, this process was actually quite quick, taking only a week or two over several meetings. We tend not to even have sex until after marriage either, because when you share that experience with only her/him you aren't always thinking of other lovers as comparisons. I've actually been celibate for over a decade now, while I work on correcting the bad habits that I picked up in my younger years, so that when I do finally find the one she'll be the only lover I have a strong memory of.

I think this is perhaps the largest area that westerners have been failing with in their role in our newly interconnected world. We've taken our own perspective for granted, despite the fact that the world we grew up in is barely existent anymore, and so we're not sharing this cultural wisdom with those who need it the most. Rather we've been getting caught up in trying to approach life from the lens of foreign cultures, and doing a poor job at that because it's all filtered through media.

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– userman631 8 points 259 days ago +8 / -0

For us, the "standard method" has been to groom yourself well, have polite interactions with the women you meet through your day, and when you encounter someone that you fancy, who shows signs of interest in you herself, you ask her for lunch/coffee or something similar

That doesn't work anymore at least not for the vast majority of men. Women's standards have inflated to ungodly levels.

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– Sumsuch 3 points 259 days ago +3 / -0

Have you taken a look around at many men's standards these days? Everyone's perceptions are fucked by the incessant barrage of utter nonsense that's been circulated online. If you got caught up in that as I had, step back and take some time to recover your own self before you start looking elsewhere.

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