honestly, i figured this out just some days ago: it's all a matter of context, and historical perspective. when Cortana, or bikini armor, or Lara Croft all came out back in 2005 or whatever, Early Porn Introduction just wasn't as developed yet. there was no Discord to groom kids in, tranny movements hadn't got going at this blazing fast speed yet, etcetera.
so all that had little effect. they were just good looking women in games, sometimes in skimpy outfits. most men went "nice" and for most kids it probably didn't even register next to all the cool gameplay they had.
today? if Cortana came out today there would be 20 new pages of pornography on every site that hosts it. popular twitter artists, NSFW or not, would be coming out with art that directly sexualizes her. Discord servers would crop up to roleplay weird master-slave shit about soldiers and their hologram sexbots. there'd be no discussion of Cortana as a character or what the hell even happens in the game, it'd just all be about how much people want to have sex with her.
the exact same character design has profoundly worse effects today and that can be objectively measured. maybe some can't be blamed for still being stuck in 2005, but the truth is that a lot more is gooner bait today than yesterday because gooners have exploded in both numbers and ferocity. think about this: for most of Italy, Tifa Lockhart is a porn actress.
It's goon fuel back then too. There is no problem with attractive women, it's the hyper sexualization of everything and every woman that is the problem.
Kids don't need a half naked slut ai when they wanna play a space ranger video game. But a bunch of coomers can't help but insert hyper sexualized versions of everything into their media because they don't see the damage lust can cause, even to themselves. Cortana could be attractive and still wearing normal clothes.
yeah i mean, honestly agreed. inserting naked ladies everywhere or giving characters prostitute outfits for no reason is just crass, it's not even sexy for the adults playing if you have actual taste. but probably the only way to rationally start the discussion with the many people around who think that sort of stuff is good (like most people here) is to first acknowledge that they still think like the media makers back in 2005, who felt they could toe the line of titillation without consequences as grave as they are today for both groomed kids and pornsick adults.
high-speed porn is really new. sure there were tapes around in the 60s or whatever, but we have only a few decades of experience with getting 10000 images of perfect naked ladies with just a few keystrokes on a computer. for these bikini warrior types i don't think it's sunk in just how much of an effect porn and titillating content at this rate really has. back then they were salivating over triangles on Lara's chest but now people are turning a thin bug in a loose dress into hardcore pornography with Silksong. things have really progressed.
Once again, if Anita's videos replaced "muh misogyny" with "muh Christian values", you lot would have lapped it up.
It's not the devs fault most parents these days idea of proper parenting is giving their kids a tablet with unrestricted access to the internet where they'll get groomed by creeps on roblox.
And putting the blame on people who enjoy non porn games for reasons other than tits and ass is just going to remind them of how we spent a decade getting lectured by annoying feminists on how we're all pedophile rapist nazis for thinking ugly women are ugly.
Additionally, if you didn't conveniently forget how the left got so big with the younger generation in the first place, you'll be reminded of crap like the comics code authority or how the right tried to call everything from DnD to the og Doom "satanist propaganda".
They had VHS stores with rooms for adult content in the 90s already, some of the stuff from back then was way more nastier than they do nowadays. Attractive characters just sell better and they needed every sale back then since the market was very small still. And almost anything was a new ip. Not everything is a setup for demoralization and the destruction of the west. I would rather say taking attractive characters in the last decade away is way more demoralizing. At least these can still keep you partially hooked to a game even if its bad. Now games are bad and have nothing to look at.
Ya right. Every time I post anti porn positions on kia2 the gooncoom squad freaks out and claims its all protected free speech.
One can be against government control of all information while also understanding we can have government ban actual abusive material from these freaks at mindgeek who openly seek to groom 12 year olds into transing themselves.
And one can be against coomer degeneracy without stooping to the level of the moral busybodies who threw hissy fits about the word "hell" showing up in their children's media.
I might dislike porn and want internet groomers thrown into a woodchipper, but I'm not going to start going on about how mass effect 1 is no better than random furry porn games because it let you romance the blue alien.
I'm not going to be discouraged from my position because someone calls me a moral busy body. Thanks for helping me see that Mass effect 1 encouraging the player to have a sexual relationship with a blue tentacled alien is furry porn. I forgot about that degen shit.
And I'm not going to be discouraged from mine just because you think playing a game with female characters dressed less modestly than a nun means you also live like the South Park WoW guy.
Thanks for helping me see that a nonzero percent of right wingers have learnt nothing from the 2000s and how they unintentionally pushed the youth into the arms of the degenerate left.
No shit porn is bad. It just leaves you feeling empty and like you could've done anything else to pass the time.
But what I'm sure a good chunk of us have an issue with is how loose the definition of porn is to the anti porn crowd.
I've heard people say that Halo is gooner bait because Cortana looks like she isn't wearing clothes.
honestly, i figured this out just some days ago: it's all a matter of context, and historical perspective. when Cortana, or bikini armor, or Lara Croft all came out back in 2005 or whatever, Early Porn Introduction just wasn't as developed yet. there was no Discord to groom kids in, tranny movements hadn't got going at this blazing fast speed yet, etcetera.
so all that had little effect. they were just good looking women in games, sometimes in skimpy outfits. most men went "nice" and for most kids it probably didn't even register next to all the cool gameplay they had.
today? if Cortana came out today there would be 20 new pages of pornography on every site that hosts it. popular twitter artists, NSFW or not, would be coming out with art that directly sexualizes her. Discord servers would crop up to roleplay weird master-slave shit about soldiers and their hologram sexbots. there'd be no discussion of Cortana as a character or what the hell even happens in the game, it'd just all be about how much people want to have sex with her.
the exact same character design has profoundly worse effects today and that can be objectively measured. maybe some can't be blamed for still being stuck in 2005, but the truth is that a lot more is gooner bait today than yesterday because gooners have exploded in both numbers and ferocity. think about this: for most of Italy, Tifa Lockhart is a porn actress.
It's goon fuel back then too. There is no problem with attractive women, it's the hyper sexualization of everything and every woman that is the problem.
Kids don't need a half naked slut ai when they wanna play a space ranger video game. But a bunch of coomers can't help but insert hyper sexualized versions of everything into their media because they don't see the damage lust can cause, even to themselves. Cortana could be attractive and still wearing normal clothes.
yeah i mean, honestly agreed. inserting naked ladies everywhere or giving characters prostitute outfits for no reason is just crass, it's not even sexy for the adults playing if you have actual taste. but probably the only way to rationally start the discussion with the many people around who think that sort of stuff is good (like most people here) is to first acknowledge that they still think like the media makers back in 2005, who felt they could toe the line of titillation without consequences as grave as they are today for both groomed kids and pornsick adults.
high-speed porn is really new. sure there were tapes around in the 60s or whatever, but we have only a few decades of experience with getting 10000 images of perfect naked ladies with just a few keystrokes on a computer. for these bikini warrior types i don't think it's sunk in just how much of an effect porn and titillating content at this rate really has. back then they were salivating over triangles on Lara's chest but now people are turning a thin bug in a loose dress into hardcore pornography with Silksong. things have really progressed.
Its like an old alcoholic who thinks the first drinks of alcohol weren't necessary first steps of the problem which led to liver failure and death.
Once again, if Anita's videos replaced "muh misogyny" with "muh Christian values", you lot would have lapped it up.
It's not the devs fault most parents these days idea of proper parenting is giving their kids a tablet with unrestricted access to the internet where they'll get groomed by creeps on roblox.
And putting the blame on people who enjoy non porn games for reasons other than tits and ass is just going to remind them of how we spent a decade getting lectured by annoying feminists on how we're all pedophile rapist nazis for thinking ugly women are ugly.
Additionally, if you didn't conveniently forget how the left got so big with the younger generation in the first place, you'll be reminded of crap like the comics code authority or how the right tried to call everything from DnD to the og Doom "satanist propaganda".
They had VHS stores with rooms for adult content in the 90s already, some of the stuff from back then was way more nastier than they do nowadays. Attractive characters just sell better and they needed every sale back then since the market was very small still. And almost anything was a new ip. Not everything is a setup for demoralization and the destruction of the west. I would rather say taking attractive characters in the last decade away is way more demoralizing. At least these can still keep you partially hooked to a game even if its bad. Now games are bad and have nothing to look at.
And that was a very fine animation.
Ya right. Every time I post anti porn positions on kia2 the gooncoom squad freaks out and claims its all protected free speech.
One can be against government control of all information while also understanding we can have government ban actual abusive material from these freaks at mindgeek who openly seek to groom 12 year olds into transing themselves.
And one can be against coomer degeneracy without stooping to the level of the moral busybodies who threw hissy fits about the word "hell" showing up in their children's media.
I might dislike porn and want internet groomers thrown into a woodchipper, but I'm not going to start going on about how mass effect 1 is no better than random furry porn games because it let you romance the blue alien.
I'm not going to be discouraged from my position because someone calls me a moral busy body. Thanks for helping me see that Mass effect 1 encouraging the player to have a sexual relationship with a blue tentacled alien is furry porn. I forgot about that degen shit.
And I'm not going to be discouraged from mine just because you think playing a game with female characters dressed less modestly than a nun means you also live like the South Park WoW guy.
Thanks for helping me see that a nonzero percent of right wingers have learnt nothing from the 2000s and how they unintentionally pushed the youth into the arms of the degenerate left.