The entire purpose of the movie is meant to be a take down of the very thing that makes it so popular in the first place, and it makes that quite clear a few times what it is trying to do. Its just Starship Troopers with less camp.
And like both of those movies, taking the "wrong message" from it like that makes the creators seethe, so I will keep doing so for that reason alone and taking my inspirations/memes from it as a side benefit.
I think the jingoistic/militaristic, "I say kill em all!" message most of us enjoy from the movie is not exactly consistent with the novel's philosophical views on society. Certainly in the same ballpark, but not likely the intent.
Minor nitpick: can you even call that “jingoistic”? He’s talking about a literal hostile alien race that launched a major attack on Earth. Humans don’t even know if it’s possible to communicate with them at that point in the story. “Kill ‘em all” is a pragmatic policy choice that would be on the table for almost any non-suicidal society. You can imagine the delivery being more staid, more somber, whatever you want, but it’s hard to imagine that only a particularly warlike, patriotic , militaristic society would consider the option.
Minor nitpick: can you even call that “jingoistic”?
I'm specifically thinking of the "I'm from Buenos Aires" quote when I call it such, as that is a great example of the particular patriotic fever that would define it. I know the Left and Boomers have turned it into a dirty, negative word but I think that's a perfect example of it becoming a completely justified and likely the best course of action.
Also the very specific problem with the movie where their propaganda and superiority complex consistently leads them to underestimating their opponents and getting untold number of their own people killed. While the director was trying to make a "Nazis/Americans dumb" political message, I think we can see the greater philosophical issue of believing your own hype too much that it blinds you, which is where extreme patriotism can be an issue.
The entire purpose of the movie is meant to be a take down of the very thing that makes it so popular in the first place, and it makes that quite clear a few times what it is trying to do. Its just Starship Troopers with less camp.
And like both of those movies, taking the "wrong message" from it like that makes the creators seethe, so I will keep doing so for that reason alone and taking my inspirations/memes from it as a side benefit.
Ah so we enjoyed it incorrectly then? Nowadays they would make a sequel where the MC gets sodomized.
a modernized version should replace the surplus store nazi with an antifa tranny
In the case of Starship Troopers, you'd be taking the right message-- the one the book's author intended.
I think the jingoistic/militaristic, "I say kill em all!" message most of us enjoy from the movie is not exactly consistent with the novel's philosophical views on society. Certainly in the same ballpark, but not likely the intent.
Minor nitpick: can you even call that “jingoistic”? He’s talking about a literal hostile alien race that launched a major attack on Earth. Humans don’t even know if it’s possible to communicate with them at that point in the story. “Kill ‘em all” is a pragmatic policy choice that would be on the table for almost any non-suicidal society. You can imagine the delivery being more staid, more somber, whatever you want, but it’s hard to imagine that only a particularly warlike, patriotic , militaristic society would consider the option.
I'm specifically thinking of the "I'm from Buenos Aires" quote when I call it such, as that is a great example of the particular patriotic fever that would define it. I know the Left and Boomers have turned it into a dirty, negative word but I think that's a perfect example of it becoming a completely justified and likely the best course of action.
Also the very specific problem with the movie where their propaganda and superiority complex consistently leads them to underestimating their opponents and getting untold number of their own people killed. While the director was trying to make a "Nazis/Americans dumb" political message, I think we can see the greater philosophical issue of believing your own hype too much that it blinds you, which is where extreme patriotism can be an issue.