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Vatican 2 is fake and gay! (media.scored.co)
posted 276 days ago by ketobikerdude 276 days ago by ketobikerdude +46 / -0
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– horstshort 2 points 273 days ago +2 / -0

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2019&version=NET

What is 'innocent blood'? And to which three cities should I flee to if I accidentally kill someone?

The whole point of it was originally about saving souls -- this is from Jesus' own mouth and actions: he came to deliver salvation for the lost, the chosen, and the gentiles.

The reason given doesn't matter. Christianity wants to dominate the minds and souls of humanity. It is a monotheistic religion that does not tolerate 'pagans' (i.e. anything non-Abrahamic) and cares not for the race/blood of its followers. In that regard it is identical to Islam.

Following Christianity inevitably means forsaking your own blood. Which is why we are in our current predicament. You can blame secularism all you want for it but Christianity dominated Europe and most of the world for a very long time. So either this happened by design (which I believe) or Christianity failed utterly and completely. Saying it wasn't true Christianity before is like saying true Communism has never been tried before.

Like I said I don't take any issues with believers who simply want to live their lives according to their religious scripture as long as they don't have (religious) political ambitions. Muslims pretending to be tolerant and peaceful as long as they are a tiny minority and going for complete dominance once they reach a certain population threshold is the best example for the dangers of politically ambitious religions.

People purposely misinterpreting scripture to control pliable minds is why organised religion is the way it is today

Organized religions seek power. Power inevitably attracts corruption. That's the general reality of human existence. That's why the reality of politics isn't any different. Organized religions are inherently political.

And that's why organized monotheistic religions that claim to be the absolute authority of truth are so dangerous. That's also the reason why the 'Trust the science!' crowd is so incredibly dangerous. Because they are members of an organized monotheistic religion which claims to be the absolute authority of truth too. The only difference is their religion is without any spirituality.

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– throwawayaccount2037 2 points 273 days ago +2 / -0

What is 'innocent blood'? And to which three cities should I flee to if I accidentally kill someone?

Did you harm someone by mistake? Innocent blood. Simple as that.

You can flee, but the honourable thing to do would be to turn yourself in to face justice. The scenario given was for a man who did not mean to cause harm, but may face retribution at the hands of the blood avenger; hence seeking asylum.

We have a judicial system today, so as stated, if you commit a crime, report it to the authorities and face the consequences. Back in the day, the avenger of blood might seek vengeance, but today you face trial by jury in civilised nations.

The reason given doesn't matter. Christianity wants to dominate the minds and souls of humanity. It is a monotheistic religion that does not tolerate 'pagans' (i.e. anything non-Abrahamic) and cares not for the race/blood of its followers. In that regard it is identical to Islam.

It does matter, otherwise you're back to defending that a man can be a woman because he feels like it. You already said a man cannot be a woman if he feels like it because "man" and "woman" have clear definitions. You cannot CHANGE those definitions when it suits you, just like you cannot change the reason and definitions of Christianity to suit your anti-theism, elsewise you're back to engaging in the same hypocrisy I mentioned before.

Following Christianity inevitably means forsaking your own blood. Which is why we are in our current predicament.

Other way around. People sacrificed so YOU could enjoy your unearned freedoms and privileges based on the foundations of Orthodox Judaeo-Christianity. Their forfeiture of self is how you have the benefits of a first-world nation to indulge.

Our current predicament is spawned entirely from secular solipsism. Everyone only cares about self, about what they can do for their own hedonism or masochism. Christianity at its core is about sacrifice -- everyone indulging in promiscuity, abortions, anti-White prosecution, usury, and two-tier justice systems is the literal opposite of every tenet of the Old Law.

Hilariously enough, the very things you're complaining about causing the ruination of society are the result of people abandoning the First Principles of Christian Orthodoxy.

And that's why organized monotheistic religions that claim to be the absolute authority of truth are so dangerous. That's also the reason why the 'Trust the science!' crowd is so incredibly dangerous. Because they are members of an organized monotheistic religion which claims to be the absolute authority of truth too. The only difference is their religion is without any spirituality.

Yes, every aspect of the human condition based on ambition leads to authoritarianism as its end goal when spirituality is not at the core of their principles.

In the same way, hedonistic anarchy is the end goal of societies that abandon spirituality in favour of solipsistic secularism, which is what we're seeing play out in real time in London, Paris, Cologne, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, and New York City.

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– horstshort 2 points 273 days ago +2 / -0

Did you harm someone by mistake? Innocent blood. Simple as that.

If I kill someone in self defense I didn't harm him by mistake. Sometimes you even have to kill people even if they don't pose an immediate threat to you.

It does matter, otherwise you're back to defending that a man can be a woman because he feels like it. You already said a man cannot be a woman if he feels like it because "man" and "woman" have clear definitions. You cannot CHANGE those definitions when it suits you, just like you cannot change the reason and definitions of Christianity to suit your anti-theism, elsewise you're back to engaging in the same hypocrisy I mentioned before.

What is true Christianity or who is a true Christian has no clear definition. I assume you're a Protestant? Catholics think you aren't a true Christian. What about Greek Orthodox? Russian Orthodox? Mormons? Jehovas Witnesses?

Gender isn't ambiguous. You are either born a man or a woman. Anything else is a genetic anomaly. It's natural law. Man-made ideologies are not.

Other way around. People sacrificed so YOU could enjoy your unearned freedoms and privileges based on the foundations of Orthodox Judaeo-Christianity. Their forfeiture of self is how you have the benefits of a first-world nation to indulge.

Christianity has no right to take credit for the achievements of people. If Christianity would be responsible for these achievements there wouldn't be such significant differences between the different European peoples.

And like I believe I already said the rise of Europe as a world dominating power came after the influence of the Church was severely diminished. The Roman Empires peak also before Christianity took over.

Everyone only cares about self, about what they can do for their own hedonism or masochism.

The Church (who claim to represent God on Earth) only cared for itself. That is literally the reason why Martin Luther did what he did. It is the reason why the European nobility fought tooth and nail to curb the influence of the Church. It is the reason why ultimately the Church lost most of its authority.

Hilariously enough, the very things you're complaining about causing the ruination of society are the result of people abandoning the First Principles of Christian Orthodoxy.

I disagree. What caused it was Christian compassion for thy enemy. Jews are supposedly the arch enemy of Christianity. The synagogue of Satan. And yet Christianity never once tried to actually end their enemy. Christians have always been the most steadfast supporters of Judaism. They emancipated them again and again and again.

The only people who truly tried to solve this problem were pagans. And they were fanatically attacked by the Christian world.

Yes, every aspect of the human condition based on ambition leads to authoritarianism as its end goal when spirituality is not at the core of their principles.

Christian spirituality is literally about bowing down to the ultimate authority of God. That is if you actually want Christianity to be an organized religion. Organized religions are always about bowing down to authority.

But I'm going to call it quits here. I know how you think about this topic, you know how I think about this topic and now we're just running in circles because neither of us going is to change his opinion regarding this topic.

As long as we aren't able to prove or disprove Gods existence we'll have to agree to disagree.

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– throwawayaccount2037 2 points 273 days ago +2 / -0

If I kill someone in self defense I didn't harm him by mistake. Sometimes you even have to kill people even if they don't pose an immediate threat to you.

Well now you're moving the direction to a different topic, but yes, that's already covered. Intent changes the punishment -- no different than any judicial system.

Doesn't mean someone may not attempt to become a blood avenger, but God is judging someone based on their heart; man will give you a trial based on circumstantial evidence.

What is true Christianity or who is a true Christian has no clear definition.

It literally does, in the Bible. In no uncertain terms, in no interpretative confusion, it literally states in John 15:10...

"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love."

That's it.

Catholics think you aren't a true Christian. What about Greek Orthodox? Russian Orthodox? Mormons? Jehovas Witnesses?

It literally does not matter. This ties into your angst against organised religion. If all these other religions are professing martinet style rules over salvation, they've already stepped away from the simple teachings in the Bible.

Are you following Jesus' rules as dictated by the Old Law? Yes? You're good. That's it. Anything else is confetti and noise.

The Church (who claim to represent God on Earth) only cared for itself.

Yes, just like corporations who get greedy abuse the laws to create crypto-capitalist corpo-states that operate more like oligarchical socialist hierarchies. Does that mean capitalism is bad because corporations claim to be capitalist while fixing the institutions so we no longer have proper free market reign?

What caused it was Christian compassion for thy enemy. Jews are supposedly the arch enemy of Christianity. The synagogue of Satan. And yet Christianity never once tried to actually end their enemy. Christians have always been the most steadfast supporters of Judaism. They emancipated them again and again and again.

I don't disagree, and, in fact, this coincides with my point: they abandoned the tenets of the First Principles.

God always forewarned NOT to adopt, abide by, nor enable religious practices that take you away from Him. Enabling heathen practices is how so many of God's chosen fell before, in fact, first and second Kings literally details how this happened over, and over, and over again because the kings literally did exactly what you said, and only less than a handful of the rulers actually maintained the original Commandments.

The only people who truly tried to solve this problem were pagans. And they were fanatically attacked by the Christian world.

And now that the pagans rule, we have millions of White babies being aborted, White persecution, promiscuity, the dissolution of the family unit, and 40 years until complete civilisational collapse of developed nations. How do you reckon that this paganistic secularist solipsism is better for you, when you've just spent the last couple of days complaining about the outcomes of that secularist society causing great distress?

As long as we aren't able to prove or disprove Gods existence we'll have to agree to disagree.

Actually, God's existence is proven through quantum uniformity.

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