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Vatican 2 is fake and gay! (media.scored.co)
posted 246 days ago by ketobikerdude 246 days ago by ketobikerdude +46 / -0
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– throwawayaccount2037 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

European culture has been committing a slow suicide for the last century. We're headed for ethnic and cultural annihilation.

That's because of atheistic secularism. The complete opposite of the thing you're arguing against.

Feminism, hedonism, the sexual revolution, and civil rights all brought about the cultural annihilation that was BUILT by Judaeo-Christian values.

Again, the irony of your argument is thick enough to slice with a steak knife.

The foundation is European culture not Christianity.

Modern European culture is literally BUILT on Judaeo-Christianity:

  • https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/magna-carta/british-library-magna-carta-1215-runnymede/

It's bizarre someone can argue so vehemently on behalf of a history they know so little about.

The computer wasn't built by people following religious dogmas either by the way.

It literally was....

https://www.historyhit.com/facts-about-charles-babbage-victorian-computer-pioneer/

In fact, we wouldn't have computers as we know them today if it weren't for people like Charles Simeon helping support men like Babbage to open up that field of science (once again, the foundations of Judaeo-Christianity showing that it helped open the conduit for people with unearned privileges to use systems they take for granted -- even while those same ungrateful people badmouth the religions that allowed those systems to exist).

As I said, if emotionally charged 20-something anti-theists spent more time studying quantum physics, anthropology, and history... they probably wouldn't be anti-theists.

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– horstshort 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

Feminism, hedonism, the sexual revolution, and civil rights all brought about the cultural annihilation that was BUILT by Judaeo-Christian values.

The movements of feminism, hedonism, the sexual revolution and civil rights have all been dominated and most of the time initiated by Jews. So they're Judaeo-Christian values. The various Churches (Protestant and Catholic alike) all push it. Even the Vatican. None of them fought against it.

The only ones who truly tried to prevent it were the National Socialists and their leaders did not identify as Christians. The Christians plunged the entire world into a war, actually committed genocide and ethnic cleansing and sold out half of Europe to Communism.

Modern European culture is literally BUILT on Judaeo-Christianity

Then why do Christian Africa, Asia and South America look so different from Europe? If Christianity is the reason why Europe looks the way it does today it should have had the same effects on Africa, South America and Asia.

to open up that field of science

Who or what closed that field of science in the first place?

Who destroyed countless works when the classical world fell? Who went on a rampage to destroy anything deemed 'unholy'? Who is actually responsible for the loss of unimaginable amounts of knowledge?

As I said, if emotionally charged 20-something anti-theists spent more time studying quantum physics, anthropology, and history... they probably wouldn't be anti-theists.

No, I'm still an anti-theist in the religious sense. I'm not an atheist and not exactly agnostic although I suppose that would be the most fitting term.

I simply have no need to believe in Gods and a corresponding mythology. I'm able to admit that I don't know and that there are things I'll never be able to explain and understand. I don't need to explain the world with made up religious stories.

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– throwawayaccount2037 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

So they're Judaeo-Christian values.

No, because they directly contradict God's commandments. Try again.

The various Churches (Protestant and Catholic alike) all push it. Even the Vatican. None of them fought against it.

Then they're supporting atheistic secularism.

It's like saying "Capitalism is bad because all of these corporations claiming to be capitalist are operating as corpo-socialist institutions".

It's not the name that means anything (viz., why there is such a thing as RINOs), it's what the name means and its values. If you are not upholding the values, you are engaging in performative nominalism.

Who is actually responsible for the loss of unimaginable amounts of knowledge?

Jews.

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– horstshort 3 points 244 days ago +3 / -0

No, because they directly contradict God's commandments. Try again.

So we're resorting to the No true Scotsman argument. Considering that the Bible needs to interpreted and isn't actually a manual like the Quran I'm not going to accept that argument.

Then they're supporting atheistic secularism.

Sure, you can call it atheistic secularism. But you are again resorting to the No true Scotsman argument. I judge people, organizations, religions and ideologies based on what they are. Not on what they are supposed to be on paper.

Jews.

And what tool did they use? Christianity. Jesus was the Jewish messiah for the Jews. Paul was a Jew. The first Christians were all Jews. Everything about Christianity is Jewish. That's why you use the term Judaeo-Christian values.

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– throwawayaccount2037 2 points 244 days ago +2 / -0

. Considering that the Bible needs to interpreted and isn't actually a manual like the Quran I'm not going to accept that argument.

There are no interpretations required, there are literal rules outlined in the Ten Commandments.

Shema makes it clear along with the Devarim.

These are all reiterated by Jesus in First Corinthians 6:9. There are no uncertain terms about who is and who is not, according to God.

If you aren't aligning with God's Tenets, then no, you are not actually upholding that system.

What you're talking about is what Jesus explicitly warned people about in Matthew chapter 7 verse 15, which specifically addresses the misapplication of the Old Law by people who would lure anti-theists into making the exact argument you have proposed.

I judge people, organizations, religions and ideologies based on what they are. Not on what they are supposed to be on paper.

Then we are in agreement.

As stated, anyone can call themselves anything, but according to your own standard, it's not what they say they are but what they do that defines them... right?

Unless you actually believe transgender individuals who are born male can be female just because they say they "feel like a woman" that particular day?

If your answer is no, then you'd be engaging in the double standards I mentioned earlier.

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