When you say impossible, how much experience do you have observing terminal bullet performance and harvesting big game with high powered rifles?
It largely depends on bullet construction. Has the type of bullet, soft point, open tip/hollow point, match, or FMJ/ball been made public.
FMJ, or ball, will usually pencil right through a container of water which can be used as a ballistic analog for big game. Shoot a milk jug full of water with FMJ and it will pencil hole through and make very little splash.
A highly frangible bullet will fragment and dump all of its energy into the target. Shoot a jug of water with a frangible bullet design and it will dump all of its energy, the milk jug may explode and will usually create a very large exit wound. It's not a perfect analogue because there is no bone material to deflect or vary the resistance.
A spine shot on a deer can deflect in strange ways. I have been eating deer heart before and found lead fragment from a spine shot deer with a .270 Win. Core Lokt. Which has the same case as the .30-06 by the way. The .270 uses lighter bullets with a .277" diameter instead of .308" diameter. It has the same powder capacity as a .30-06. Because the .270 is using lighter bullets the same powder charge can move a 120-330 gr projectile faster than a 150 or 180 gr projectile.
I watched the footage again today and it looked to me like a CNS (central nervous system) hit. I misremembered him grabbing his throat once hit. After rewatching it appears his arms went up, reflex or reaction, possibly? Then muscle control drops out a split second later and he goes limp. When an animal takes a CNS hit like a spine or head shot it will go limp like that and drop right there.
It looks like a fragment exited his throat where he began to bleed out. Not a full bullet exit or it would have been a larger exit from expansion. It is plausible the bullet heavily fragmented upon hitting vertebrae taking out his CNS and partial fragment exited throat. Spine has to be a lot stronger structurally than other bones like shoulder blade. It carries weight load for the entire skeletal system. Shoulder blade by contrast is thin enough to let light pass through.
When you say impossible, how much experience do you have observing terminal bullet performance and harvesting big game with high powered rifles?
Gonna be perfectly honest and admit that I have actually zero experience. Which is why I depend on people who have experience.
A spine shot on a deer can deflect in strange ways.
I don't doubt that but a human isn't a deer. A deer neck is significantly thicker than Charlies neck.
I watched the footage again today and it looked to me like a CNS (central nervous system) hit.
Yes. He died instantly. He was dead before he even started to bleed.
It looks like a fragment exited his throat where he began to bleed out. Not a full bullet exit or it would have been a larger exit from expansion.
What are you suggesting? That what we seeing is an exit wound which would instantly kill the official story or that the bullet entered, fragmented and then had enough energy left to leave through the entry wound again?
What I'm suggesting is that he was shot from behind to his right most likely. And that what were seeing is an exit wound.
Many things about the official story do not add up.
The weapon found doesn't make sense. It doesn't really look like an older imported Mauser. It could be a sporterized antique Mauser in a modern polymer stock. It could also be a modern Mauser brand hunting rifle. Which sort of contradicts "older imported" and "grandfather's rifle" descriptors. The scope is seemingly set back too far for prone shooting.
I have read or heard several claims he was shot from behind. I could buy that as plausible. Based on what I have observed with my own eyes. I think it is one of two possibilities.
The only thing I am suggesting is that it's not impossible for a frangible bullet to deflect, ricochet, and fragment from it's path from hitting spinal bones.
It could be the bleeding from his neck was caused by entry and he was shot from the front. It could be bullet hit spine, fragmented, ricocheted and we're seeing small fragment exit neck having been shot from rear. If he was shot from the rear was there another object in the path that absorbed some energy, maybe?
There is a hole in his neck where a projectile, or fragment, either entered or exited.
It's not impossible for spine to deflect or fragment, preventing a bullet from exiting. Nobody has made public the type of bullet used in the shooting. Different bullets can be designed to do things such penetrate, expand, or fragment. Something can be implausible or unlikely, but not impossible.
Again you're proclaiming something you're largely ignorant of the skeletal structure and body composition of a deer compared to a human. It's not a horse sized animal. A large mature buck weighs over 200 lbs, about the same mass as full grown man. I have an 18" neck. Some deer might have a 15" neck, larger may have 22" neck. Deer do have larger chest cavities than humans. But they don't possess any special properties that change terminal ballistic performance.
When you say impossible, how much experience do you have observing terminal bullet performance and harvesting big game with high powered rifles?
It largely depends on bullet construction. Has the type of bullet, soft point, open tip/hollow point, match, or FMJ/ball been made public.
FMJ, or ball, will usually pencil right through a container of water which can be used as a ballistic analog for big game. Shoot a milk jug full of water with FMJ and it will pencil hole through and make very little splash.
A highly frangible bullet will fragment and dump all of its energy into the target. Shoot a jug of water with a frangible bullet design and it will dump all of its energy, the milk jug may explode and will usually create a very large exit wound. It's not a perfect analogue because there is no bone material to deflect or vary the resistance.
A spine shot on a deer can deflect in strange ways. I have been eating deer heart before and found lead fragment from a spine shot deer with a .270 Win. Core Lokt. Which has the same case as the .30-06 by the way. The .270 uses lighter bullets with a .277" diameter instead of .308" diameter. It has the same powder capacity as a .30-06. Because the .270 is using lighter bullets the same powder charge can move a 120-330 gr projectile faster than a 150 or 180 gr projectile.
I watched the footage again today and it looked to me like a CNS (central nervous system) hit. I misremembered him grabbing his throat once hit. After rewatching it appears his arms went up, reflex or reaction, possibly? Then muscle control drops out a split second later and he goes limp. When an animal takes a CNS hit like a spine or head shot it will go limp like that and drop right there.
It looks like a fragment exited his throat where he began to bleed out. Not a full bullet exit or it would have been a larger exit from expansion. It is plausible the bullet heavily fragmented upon hitting vertebrae taking out his CNS and partial fragment exited throat. Spine has to be a lot stronger structurally than other bones like shoulder blade. It carries weight load for the entire skeletal system. Shoulder blade by contrast is thin enough to let light pass through.
Gonna be perfectly honest and admit that I have actually zero experience. Which is why I depend on people who have experience.
I don't doubt that but a human isn't a deer. A deer neck is significantly thicker than Charlies neck.
Yes. He died instantly. He was dead before he even started to bleed.
What are you suggesting? That what we seeing is an exit wound which would instantly kill the official story or that the bullet entered, fragmented and then had enough energy left to leave through the entry wound again?
What I'm suggesting is that he was shot from behind to his right most likely. And that what were seeing is an exit wound.
Many things about the official story do not add up.
The weapon found doesn't make sense. It doesn't really look like an older imported Mauser. It could be a sporterized antique Mauser in a modern polymer stock. It could also be a modern Mauser brand hunting rifle. Which sort of contradicts "older imported" and "grandfather's rifle" descriptors. The scope is seemingly set back too far for prone shooting.
I have read or heard several claims he was shot from behind. I could buy that as plausible. Based on what I have observed with my own eyes. I think it is one of two possibilities.
The only thing I am suggesting is that it's not impossible for a frangible bullet to deflect, ricochet, and fragment from it's path from hitting spinal bones.
It could be the bleeding from his neck was caused by entry and he was shot from the front. It could be bullet hit spine, fragmented, ricocheted and we're seeing small fragment exit neck having been shot from rear. If he was shot from the rear was there another object in the path that absorbed some energy, maybe?
There is a hole in his neck where a projectile, or fragment, either entered or exited.
It's not impossible for spine to deflect or fragment, preventing a bullet from exiting. Nobody has made public the type of bullet used in the shooting. Different bullets can be designed to do things such penetrate, expand, or fragment. Something can be implausible or unlikely, but not impossible.
Again you're proclaiming something you're largely ignorant of the skeletal structure and body composition of a deer compared to a human. It's not a horse sized animal. A large mature buck weighs over 200 lbs, about the same mass as full grown man. I have an 18" neck. Some deer might have a 15" neck, larger may have 22" neck. Deer do have larger chest cavities than humans. But they don't possess any special properties that change terminal ballistic performance.