B) Even if you attribute the harm to, say, thrashing during night terrors or something and insist that he's misremembering certain details about how he may have accidentally hurt himself, or how lightly his wife and dogs sleep, then who's to say night terrors aren't evidence of some demonic thing? We don't know what causes night terrors. How do you know it can't possibly be the effects of a spiritual attack? When you say "he just had night terrors," what you're really saying is "he just woke up in a stressed, suffocating, anxious state, feeling as though he'd been attacked. This occurred for reasons I can't explain, but because I slapped a modern name on the phenomenon, it can't possibly be anything spiritual."
We do know what causes some aspects of night terrors because one of the reasons you can't move is because you're asleep. The nerves going to your hands and feet are not firing while you brain is dreaming, and so in the dream it feels like you can't move, or that you are trapped, or that you're under a weight. It's probably what turns it into a nightmare because the paralysis is scary and you don't know what's going on.
You are demanding a material science measure a metaphysical, spiritual, assertion that you're making, and acting like random assertion your making is clearly real because it can't be disproven.
All I can tell you is that night-terrors are actually something we've observed, recorded, and studied for quite some time now. Including videos of people having night terrors, but there clearly not being any shadow figures laying on top of them.
He had a nightmare. Yes, it was scary. Yes, I have sympathy for him because it is very scary. I'd be scared to, so would you, that's one of the things we know about it. No, it's not a demon.
We do know what causes some aspects of night terrors because one of the reasons you can't move is because you're asleep. The nerves going to your hands and feet are not firing while you brain is dreaming, and so in the dream it feels like you can't move, or that you are trapped, or that you're under a weight. It's probably what turns it into a nightmare because the paralysis is scary and you don't know what's going on.
I think you’ve confused night terrors with sleep paralysis. They’re not the same thing.
Anyway, no, I’m not “demanding a material science measure a metaphysical assertion.” I’m merely pointing out that, as you say, our current understanding of night terrors doesn’t disprove spiritual elements, and can’t, and yet your previous comment only works if you assume that it does and can.
Personally, I’m not a particularly spiritual person. I find the demon explanation hard to swallow. But it can’t be definitively dismissed in the way you did, because what you cited as proof of a mundane explanation could just be giving a mundane name to a spiritual problem.
No, I'm not confusing them, I'm saying night terrors have sleep paralysis.
current understanding of night terrors doesn’t disprove spiritual elements
Nothing can, it's an unfalsifiable claim. It would be no different from me claiming that it was an implanted memory from an interdimensional alien; or that it was the karmic response to all the negative emotion sent to him by angry leftists.
He didn't, he just had night terrors. it's shockingly common.
A) He describes physical harm that seems beyond normal night terrors.
B) Even if you attribute the harm to, say, thrashing during night terrors or something and insist that he's misremembering certain details about how he may have accidentally hurt himself, or how lightly his wife and dogs sleep, then who's to say night terrors aren't evidence of some demonic thing? We don't know what causes night terrors. How do you know it can't possibly be the effects of a spiritual attack? When you say "he just had night terrors," what you're really saying is "he just woke up in a stressed, suffocating, anxious state, feeling as though he'd been attacked. This occurred for reasons I can't explain, but because I slapped a modern name on the phenomenon, it can't possibly be anything spiritual."
We do know what causes some aspects of night terrors because one of the reasons you can't move is because you're asleep. The nerves going to your hands and feet are not firing while you brain is dreaming, and so in the dream it feels like you can't move, or that you are trapped, or that you're under a weight. It's probably what turns it into a nightmare because the paralysis is scary and you don't know what's going on.
You are demanding a material science measure a metaphysical, spiritual, assertion that you're making, and acting like random assertion your making is clearly real because it can't be disproven.
All I can tell you is that night-terrors are actually something we've observed, recorded, and studied for quite some time now. Including videos of people having night terrors, but there clearly not being any shadow figures laying on top of them.
He had a nightmare. Yes, it was scary. Yes, I have sympathy for him because it is very scary. I'd be scared to, so would you, that's one of the things we know about it. No, it's not a demon.
I think you’ve confused night terrors with sleep paralysis. They’re not the same thing.
Anyway, no, I’m not “demanding a material science measure a metaphysical assertion.” I’m merely pointing out that, as you say, our current understanding of night terrors doesn’t disprove spiritual elements, and can’t, and yet your previous comment only works if you assume that it does and can.
Personally, I’m not a particularly spiritual person. I find the demon explanation hard to swallow. But it can’t be definitively dismissed in the way you did, because what you cited as proof of a mundane explanation could just be giving a mundane name to a spiritual problem.
No, I'm not confusing them, I'm saying night terrors have sleep paralysis.
Nothing can, it's an unfalsifiable claim. It would be no different from me claiming that it was an implanted memory from an interdimensional alien; or that it was the karmic response to all the negative emotion sent to him by angry leftists.