A (singular) double-tap strike (singular)
Every time you repeat this? You prove my point. An airstrike, like the one on Dresden say, was not 1 bomber with 1 bomb. Nor was it 900 strikes, it was a singular event over 3 days.
A "double-tap strike" is a singular EVENT.
Do you even English?
Did I say "Geneva Convention? Did I? No. So stop changing the subject. Find a war with "proportionality" in it. There have been none, since no one agrees what that even entails.
Blow Up: Noun:
2: to rend apart, shatter, or destroy by explosion (MW Dictionary)
Not "damage", destroy. They blew up a room or two, but that's not the entire hospital. They blew up PART of a hospital, but that's not your claim.
No, it's not. Even after it was pointed out to you TWICE, you're still too retarded to figure out that there's something amiss with your understanding. A double-tap strike is not a literal double tap (duh), it's when you send a second shell after 15 minutes to kill the rescue workers and neighbors who have rushed to help the people.
Dumbass.
Do you even English?
Maybe I should put it in Slavic peasant dialect so that you can understand.
Did I say "Geneva Convention? Did I?
I did. Because you started saying that there was no proportionality during the Sack of Troy. Well, was Mycene a signatory to the Geneva Conventions? Idiot.
There have been none, since no one agrees what that even entails.
You, like a blind squirrel, accidentally stumbled on a point here. With the truly hard questions, it will be difficult to get people to agree. There are other cases in which it's cut and dry though, as here.
Not "damage", destroy. They blew up a room or two, but that's not the entire hospital. They blew up PART of a hospital, but that's not your claim.
And here you have a good point as well. I... do sometimes exaggerate a bit. But it's not really relevant to the point. Firing a shell at a hospital and killing 20 people, let alone double tapping a hospital, over a camera is clearly disporportioate.
I did
So quote me the "International Law" (which Hamas does NOT follow & therefor the GC doesn't apply to terrorist organizations) that outlines the definition of "proportionality".
I didn't say it STARTED with Troy, that's your invention. I gave a few examples of highly DIS-proportional wars & the resulting actual genocides or war crimes that followed. Just a few. You've yet to give an actual "proportional war" although you did make an effort :>
Well, nice of you to notice you DO exaggerate. Often to the point of distorting the conversation beyond recognition. This is your issue to deal with, so no taking offense when someone points it out, eh?
YES! Bombing a hospital room, single OR double tap, would be a war crime. However? If there's enemy combatants using that room for military purposes? Then it is a valid target and NOT a crime at all.
Edit: At least one "journalist" was proven to be a Hamas operative who regularly made propaganda for them. At least one was proven to be Hamas, probably half of there were, at a minimum.
For example: In a previous incursion into Lebanon? The IDF bombed the side entrance & garage of a hospital. Of course the Media screamed about it. The IDF provided a picture of a heavy artillery piece stationed there. Of course the Media cried "fake!" The western Media actually visited the hospital. A doctor there said it was all true. He said he personally demanded they get their weapons out, but they didn't listen. He showed them the wreckage and the spent artillery shells still there (the artillery and live shells were gone of course) and then! Into the memory hole it went.
Yes he was a real doctor at that hospital, he'd been interviewed many times before & after that event, critical of the IDF as well as Hezbollah. A very brave man!
...I didn't say you said it started with Troy. I said that you falsely invoked conflicts (including mythical ones) from before the Geneva Conventions in order to justify Israeli war crimes.
Even if these were valid comparisons, and they're not, two wrongs wouldn't make a right.
I gave a few examples of highly DIS-proportional wars & the resulting actual genocides or war crimes that followed
Obviously, they can't be war crimes without the Geneva & The Hague Conventions either. You could say that they are war crimes under our current standards.
Well, nice of you to notice you DO exaggerate. Often to the point of distorting the conversation beyond recognition. This is your issue to deal with, so no taking offense when someone points it out, eh?
I'm not offended by you pointing out that I exaggerate. What I don't like about you is that you're a bloodthirsty warmonger, supporting every single war and war crime in sight. Cease being that, and you can say about me what you want.
YES! Bombing a hospital room, single OR double tap, would be a war crime. However? If there's enemy combatants using that room for military purposes? Then it is a valid target and NOT a crime at all.
Incorrect. I've already addressed this. It would still have to fit proportionality, which murdering 20 people at a hospital to take out ONE camera does not, and a double-tap strike most certainly doesn't do. What is the military benefit of murdering aid workers who rushed to the scene?
For example: In a previous incursion into Lebanon? The IDF bombed the side entrance & garage of a hospital. Of course the Media screamed about it. The IDF provided a picture of a heavy artillery piece stationed there. Of course the Media cried "fake!" The western Media actually visited the hospital. A doctor there said it was all true. He said he personally demanded they get their weapons out, but they didn't listen. He showed them the wreckage and the spent artillery shells still there (the artillery and live shells were gone of course) and then! Into the memory hole it went.
And this is real, and not your confabulation? It might be. But you must understand that a "Iraq had WMDs" guy isn't exactly trustworthy.
Yes he was a real doctor at that hospital, he'd been interviewed many times before & after that event, critical of the IDF as well as Hezbollah. A very brave man!
You ASSUME there weren't 19 other Hamas members there too? And how many spotters are required to make it a target? One. And who is responsible for the deaths if the enemy hides behind human shields? The enemy is. These were willing shields no less, volunteers: they wanted to protect the Hamas operative. They may have been Hamas themselves, that's highly likely.
That IS in the GC btw: hiding behind civilians and not wearing a uniform are both War Crimes. If a soldier is captured carrying out missions in civilian clothing (ie in disguise) the GC no longer applies to them. The GC basically asks to not torture them too much before execution.
Do I defend "everything" the IDF does? This is SO TYPICAL of leftists and their fallacies@! It's too funny how you ALL do the exact same things given enough time to show your true colours!
ANSWER (Apparently I have to label my answers so you don't miss them)
No. I do not defend "everything" the IDF does. I DO defend when they are falsely accused or when they're attacked for doing what is perfectly lawful. Also when they're held to a double standard. For example: Hamas can deliberately target civilians, that's ok, it's "resistance" says the Media. A civilian gets killed when the IDF blows up a car full of Hamas members? That's murder says the Media. & etc.
A (singular) double-tap strike (singular)
Every time you repeat this? You prove my point. An airstrike, like the one on Dresden say, was not 1 bomber with 1 bomb. Nor was it 900 strikes, it was a singular event over 3 days.
A "double-tap strike" is a singular EVENT.
Do you even English?
Did I say "Geneva Convention? Did I? No. So stop changing the subject. Find a war with "proportionality" in it. There have been none, since no one agrees what that even entails.
Blow Up: Noun:
Not "damage", destroy. They blew up a room or two, but that's not the entire hospital. They blew up PART of a hospital, but that's not your claim.
No, it's not. Even after it was pointed out to you TWICE, you're still too retarded to figure out that there's something amiss with your understanding. A double-tap strike is not a literal double tap (duh), it's when you send a second shell after 15 minutes to kill the rescue workers and neighbors who have rushed to help the people.
Dumbass.
Maybe I should put it in Slavic peasant dialect so that you can understand.
I did. Because you started saying that there was no proportionality during the Sack of Troy. Well, was Mycene a signatory to the Geneva Conventions? Idiot.
You, like a blind squirrel, accidentally stumbled on a point here. With the truly hard questions, it will be difficult to get people to agree. There are other cases in which it's cut and dry though, as here.
And here you have a good point as well. I... do sometimes exaggerate a bit. But it's not really relevant to the point. Firing a shell at a hospital and killing 20 people, let alone double tapping a hospital, over a camera is clearly disporportioate.
I didn't say it STARTED with Troy, that's your invention. I gave a few examples of highly DIS-proportional wars & the resulting actual genocides or war crimes that followed. Just a few. You've yet to give an actual "proportional war" although you did make an effort :>
Well, nice of you to notice you DO exaggerate. Often to the point of distorting the conversation beyond recognition. This is your issue to deal with, so no taking offense when someone points it out, eh?
YES! Bombing a hospital room, single OR double tap, would be a war crime. However? If there's enemy combatants using that room for military purposes? Then it is a valid target and NOT a crime at all.
Edit: At least one "journalist" was proven to be a Hamas operative who regularly made propaganda for them. At least one was proven to be Hamas, probably half of there were, at a minimum.
For example: In a previous incursion into Lebanon? The IDF bombed the side entrance & garage of a hospital. Of course the Media screamed about it. The IDF provided a picture of a heavy artillery piece stationed there. Of course the Media cried "fake!" The western Media actually visited the hospital. A doctor there said it was all true. He said he personally demanded they get their weapons out, but they didn't listen. He showed them the wreckage and the spent artillery shells still there (the artillery and live shells were gone of course) and then! Into the memory hole it went.
Yes he was a real doctor at that hospital, he'd been interviewed many times before & after that event, critical of the IDF as well as Hezbollah. A very brave man!
...I didn't say you said it started with Troy. I said that you falsely invoked conflicts (including mythical ones) from before the Geneva Conventions in order to justify Israeli war crimes.
Even if these were valid comparisons, and they're not, two wrongs wouldn't make a right.
Obviously, they can't be war crimes without the Geneva & The Hague Conventions either. You could say that they are war crimes under our current standards.
I'm not offended by you pointing out that I exaggerate. What I don't like about you is that you're a bloodthirsty warmonger, supporting every single war and war crime in sight. Cease being that, and you can say about me what you want.
Incorrect. I've already addressed this. It would still have to fit proportionality, which murdering 20 people at a hospital to take out ONE camera does not, and a double-tap strike most certainly doesn't do. What is the military benefit of murdering aid workers who rushed to the scene?
And this is real, and not your confabulation? It might be. But you must understand that a "Iraq had WMDs" guy isn't exactly trustworthy.
So why do you defend everything the IDF does?
You ASSUME there weren't 19 other Hamas members there too? And how many spotters are required to make it a target? One. And who is responsible for the deaths if the enemy hides behind human shields? The enemy is. These were willing shields no less, volunteers: they wanted to protect the Hamas operative. They may have been Hamas themselves, that's highly likely.
That IS in the GC btw: hiding behind civilians and not wearing a uniform are both War Crimes. If a soldier is captured carrying out missions in civilian clothing (ie in disguise) the GC no longer applies to them. The GC basically asks to not torture them too much before execution.
Do I defend "everything" the IDF does? This is SO TYPICAL of leftists and their fallacies@! It's too funny how you ALL do the exact same things given enough time to show your true colours!
ANSWER (Apparently I have to label my answers so you don't miss them) No. I do not defend "everything" the IDF does. I DO defend when they are falsely accused or when they're attacked for doing what is perfectly lawful. Also when they're held to a double standard. For example: Hamas can deliberately target civilians, that's ok, it's "resistance" says the Media. A civilian gets killed when the IDF blows up a car full of Hamas members? That's murder says the Media. & etc.