I want you to explain what you think the plan was and what events have gone according to plan and which haven't. Without making weird allusions, just state things plainly.
Aw, did I hurt your feelings, Langley boy?
Simple - the kiev regime is a money laundering scheme. If you don't know this, I have no idea just how ignorant you are. This is not a 'weird allusion', this is reality. The whole point of provoking the Russians into action is sales for the military industrial complex.
Ah yes, but Kiev was a feint, the war will be over in two weeks. Right? Get over this tribal shit. People are dying on both sides in huge numbers. If they weren't, one side would have won by now.
And why do you think either side hasn't "won"? Because American taxpayer dollars are being dumped in the billions into Ukraine to prop up a pointless war. The reason why Russia isn't "conquering" anything is because it was a defensive war, to help protect what you callously called a "fledgling micro nation".
What ukraine's illegitimate government is fighting now is the breakaway nation which is now backed by a friendly neighbor, wasting ukrainian lives while lining their pockets with dirty money.
??? This is literally a brother war. It is the end of both countries. The only blood left is going to be on the ground.
The CIA-run regime in kiev didn't see it that way when they started committing atrocities against the people in the eastern provinces. Nice bait, though.
So the CIA knew they could force Russia to back paramilitaries in Donbas, and annex Crimea. And they knew Russia would invade and also knew that a slow trickle of weapons would be enough to repel them and extend the war indefinitely. Did Russia not know any of this or are they playing along?
> either side hasn't "won"? Because American taxpayer dollars
Ok. Does this revelation bring all the Russian soldiers back to life? Do those American munitions hit only empty soil? Millions of Russian soldiers are queuing up in eastern Ukraine, just hanging out enjoying life?
>Russia isn't "conquering" anything is because it was a defensive war
Ah so they never intended to roll tanks into Kiev, it was all a feint.
>illegitimate government is fighting now is the breakaway nation which is now backed by a friendly neighbor
Ok so it's a new nation. It's broken away. It's left the nest. But it's pretty small. Hmm, how can I state this without being "callous"?
So the CIA knew they could force Russia to back paramilitaries
What you call "Paramilitaries" are actually citizens driven to fight back against indiscriminate terror attacks by the kiev regime. When they asked for help, it was only natural that Russia would back them.
And they knew Russia would invade and also knew that a slow trickle of weapons would be enough to repel them and extend the war indefinitely.
Slow trickle? I guess you weren't there when the banking system leveraged every charity to run 'help ukraine defend itself' scams.
Did Russia not know any of this or are they playing along?
This is why I said check the battlefield view.
Ah so they never intended to roll tanks into Kiev, it was all a feint.
I'm sure kiev's regime never intended to hit Moscow's civilian areas with suicide drones either. /s
They started the war, now they're dealing with the consequences.
Ok so it's a new nation. It's broken away. It's left the nest. But it's pretty small. Hmm, how can I state this without being "callous"?
You could start by respecting the rights of those people who chose to break away to determine their own fate rather than repeating redditor talking points.
>"Paramilitaries" are actually citizens driven to fight
Yep that's the definition of that word. Like how "fledgling" means new and "micro" means small and "nation" means nation. If you give some civilian militias weapons, you're backing a paramilitary. Provide a command structure and now you've got a proxy force.
indiscriminate terror attacks
So they were shelling random people for no reason? You keep disagreeing but then restating my proposed premise. Probably because when I state it, plainly, without the rhetorical back flips, it sounds absurd.
>Slow trickle?
Yes. First it was just ATGMs because that's what you can put on a plane on short notice. They didn't get HIMARS until 6 months later and then it was only 4 vehicles with only short range rockets, no atacms. Then the debate over artillery and cluster munitions. Then the debate over patriots. Then the debate over bradleys and tanks. Then F16s. It's been an extremely slow and protracted escalation, I'm not sure how you can deny this.
> the banking system leveraged every charity to run 'help ukraine defend itself' scams.
Is it a scam or did they buy the weapons? These are mutually exclusive. Also every charity in the world combined wouldn't fill up one cargo plane with javelins.
>This is why I said check the battlefield view.
I don't understand how this will answer the question. This is what I mean by you alluding to stuff. You need to state what you think because believe it or not, it is not obvious. Did Russia know that Ukraine was provoking them intentionally or not? Are they playing along or are they so weak that a couple glowies can dial the entire russian army forward and back from the other side of the planet?
Yep that's the definition of that word. Like how "fledgling" means new and "micro" means small and "nation" means nation. If you give some civilian militias weapons, you're backing a paramilitary. Provide a command structure and now you've got a proxy force.
That's what military aid is, yes. I know this is surprising, but 'thoughts and prayers' in facebook messages don't really work. They asked for help, and they got it.
So they were shelling random people for no reason? You keep disagreeing but then restating my proposed premise. Probably because when I state it, plainly, without the rhetorical back flips, it sounds absurd.
Here's what's absurd - you dogged denial of human rights violations carried out by the ukraine's state apparatus against people who felt that they were no longer represented after the 2014 coup in Ukraine.
Yes. First it was just ATGMs because that's what you can put on a plane on short notice. They didn't get HIMARS until 6 months later and then it was only 4 vehicles with only short range rockets, no atacms. Then the debate over artillery and cluster munitions. Then the debate over patriots. Then the debate over bradleys and tanks. Then F16s. It's been an extremely slow and protracted escalation, I'm not sure how you can deny this.
I see you have no idea what happened to the EU's military reserves.
Is it a scam or did they buy the weapons? These are mutually exclusive. Also every charity in the world combined wouldn't fill up one cargo plane with javelins.
A scam, because even if those weapons were bought, they were not all used for 'ukraine's defense'. The money was used to pay for politicians, lined pockets of dirty armsmasters and the weapons more often than not, got resold to criminals and terrorists.
I don't understand how this will answer the question.
Look where the Russian forces are holding, rather than postulating about how they'll invade Ukraine as a whole.
This is what I mean by you alluding to stuff. You need to state what you think because believe it or not, it is not obvious. Did Russia know that Ukraine was provoking them intentionally or not? Are they playing along or are they so weak that a couple glowies can dial the entire russian army forward and back from the other side of the planet?
Nearly a decade of accelerating harassment of Crimea and the Donbass region is not 'a couple glowies'.
Aw, did I hurt your feelings, Langley boy?
Simple - the kiev regime is a money laundering scheme. If you don't know this, I have no idea just how ignorant you are. This is not a 'weird allusion', this is reality. The whole point of provoking the Russians into action is sales for the military industrial complex.
And why do you think either side hasn't "won"? Because American taxpayer dollars are being dumped in the billions into Ukraine to prop up a pointless war. The reason why Russia isn't "conquering" anything is because it was a defensive war, to help protect what you callously called a "fledgling micro nation".
What ukraine's illegitimate government is fighting now is the breakaway nation which is now backed by a friendly neighbor, wasting ukrainian lives while lining their pockets with dirty money.
The CIA-run regime in kiev didn't see it that way when they started committing atrocities against the people in the eastern provinces. Nice bait, though.
>provoking the Russians into action
So the CIA knew they could force Russia to back paramilitaries in Donbas, and annex Crimea. And they knew Russia would invade and also knew that a slow trickle of weapons would be enough to repel them and extend the war indefinitely. Did Russia not know any of this or are they playing along?
> either side hasn't "won"? Because American taxpayer dollars
Ok. Does this revelation bring all the Russian soldiers back to life? Do those American munitions hit only empty soil? Millions of Russian soldiers are queuing up in eastern Ukraine, just hanging out enjoying life?
>Russia isn't "conquering" anything is because it was a defensive war
Ah so they never intended to roll tanks into Kiev, it was all a feint.
>illegitimate government is fighting now is the breakaway nation which is now backed by a friendly neighbor
Ok so it's a new nation. It's broken away. It's left the nest. But it's pretty small. Hmm, how can I state this without being "callous"?
What you call "Paramilitaries" are actually citizens driven to fight back against indiscriminate terror attacks by the kiev regime. When they asked for help, it was only natural that Russia would back them.
Slow trickle? I guess you weren't there when the banking system leveraged every charity to run 'help ukraine defend itself' scams.
This is why I said check the battlefield view.
I'm sure kiev's regime never intended to hit Moscow's civilian areas with suicide drones either. /s
They started the war, now they're dealing with the consequences.
You could start by respecting the rights of those people who chose to break away to determine their own fate rather than repeating redditor talking points.
>"Paramilitaries" are actually citizens driven to fight
Yep that's the definition of that word. Like how "fledgling" means new and "micro" means small and "nation" means nation. If you give some civilian militias weapons, you're backing a paramilitary. Provide a command structure and now you've got a proxy force.
So they were shelling random people for no reason? You keep disagreeing but then restating my proposed premise. Probably because when I state it, plainly, without the rhetorical back flips, it sounds absurd.
>Slow trickle?
Yes. First it was just ATGMs because that's what you can put on a plane on short notice. They didn't get HIMARS until 6 months later and then it was only 4 vehicles with only short range rockets, no atacms. Then the debate over artillery and cluster munitions. Then the debate over patriots. Then the debate over bradleys and tanks. Then F16s. It's been an extremely slow and protracted escalation, I'm not sure how you can deny this.
> the banking system leveraged every charity to run 'help ukraine defend itself' scams.
Is it a scam or did they buy the weapons? These are mutually exclusive. Also every charity in the world combined wouldn't fill up one cargo plane with javelins.
>This is why I said check the battlefield view.
I don't understand how this will answer the question. This is what I mean by you alluding to stuff. You need to state what you think because believe it or not, it is not obvious. Did Russia know that Ukraine was provoking them intentionally or not? Are they playing along or are they so weak that a couple glowies can dial the entire russian army forward and back from the other side of the planet?
That's what military aid is, yes. I know this is surprising, but 'thoughts and prayers' in facebook messages don't really work. They asked for help, and they got it.
Here's what's absurd - you dogged denial of human rights violations carried out by the ukraine's state apparatus against people who felt that they were no longer represented after the 2014 coup in Ukraine.
I see you have no idea what happened to the EU's military reserves.
A scam, because even if those weapons were bought, they were not all used for 'ukraine's defense'. The money was used to pay for politicians, lined pockets of dirty armsmasters and the weapons more often than not, got resold to criminals and terrorists.
Look where the Russian forces are holding, rather than postulating about how they'll invade Ukraine as a whole.
Nearly a decade of accelerating harassment of Crimea and the Donbass region is not 'a couple glowies'.