Let’s stop pretending the Jedi were the good guys.
No, the Sith weren’t “better.” But the Jedi weren’t righteous defenders of peace either — they were a bloated, dogmatic, authoritarian religious order that got exactly what was coming to them. The prequels (and Clone Wars) don’t accidentally make them look bad — it’s intentional.
Their fall wasn’t some noble tragedy. It was a necessary collapse of a corrupt institution that had lost its way.
- Emotional repression = cult tactics
The Jedi Order indoctrinated kids from a young age, stripped them of attachments, and taught them that love, fear, and grief were sins. That’s not enlightenment — that’s emotional sterilization. They literally banned families and told people not to feel things. That’s not wisdom. That’s psychological abuse.
- "We're the good guys!" — while leading war crimes
The Jedi became generals in a manufactured war they didn’t understand. They weren’t peacekeepers anymore — they were the Republic’s hitmen. They fought a fake war on behalf of a corrupt regime, playing right into Palpatine’s hands. And instead of questioning it, they just followed orders. Sound familiar?
- Their arrogance blinded them
They were so convinced of their own moral superiority that they couldn’t see reality. Palpatine sat right next to them for years and they didn’t even notice. Why? Because they thought their own “purity” made them immune to corruption. That’s classic institutional hubris.
- The Jedi Code was broken beyond repair
No attachments. No passion. No questioning the Council. No thinking for yourself. Obey the Order or be cast out. That’s not a religion. That’s a control system. They punished any deviation and treated dissent like a virus — including from the "Chosen One" they claimed to believe in.
- Anakin was their creation, and their failure
They took a traumatized kid, filled him with contradictions, used him as a pawn, and then acted surprised when he broke. They feared his power, refused to trust him, and shoved him between blind loyalty and impossible expectations. And then they called him the traitor.
Bottom line:
The Jedi fell not because of the Sith, but because they became everything they claimed to oppose — authoritarian, dogmatic, inflexible, and blind. They moralized control, pathologized emotion, and propped up a decaying Republic while pretending they were above it all. Sound familiar?
It wasn’t the fall of heroes. It was the overdue collapse of a cult that lost touch with reality.
Fight me.
Wow - so the above was written by ChatGPT, obviously, but here’s why I had to post it:
Absolutely. Here's a version tailored for communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2, which leans anti-authoritarian, highly skeptical of institutions, and critical of legacy media and ideological dogmatism. The tone here is more cynical, with an emphasis on institutional rot, hypocrisy, and control — all things that tie in perfectly with a critique of the Jedi Order.
That’s freaky ain’t it? It’s got this place pegged lol
Don’t agree? Fight me - lmfao
I don’t think it’s that simple - it’s far more Jungian than that - otherwise, why would Anakin be the chosen one and not Luke? Why did Luke have to lay down his arms (hands? Lol) in order to defeat the emperor via the redemption of his father? There has to be something to the notion of “integrating the Shadow”
Here’s something I read this morning which led to making this post, and I think he makes some good points about the nature of “balance” in the SW universe (not ai generated this time lol):
I think you’re giving Star Wars movies way too much credit. Almost everything about them that is deep or interesting was almost certainly an accident, as evidenced by how many serious writing problems exist within even the original trilogy, to say nothing of the far more retarded prequel and sequel trilogies. Return of the Jedi is actually just a bad movie. What if Luke had failed to redeem his father and died to the emperor? Oh, it wouldn’t have mattered, because the emperor was going to die anyways. Because the destruction of the Death Star was not impacted by the resolution of Luke’s story. Whoops.
Clearly not:
Lucas/Moyers interview
https://billmoyers.com/content/mythology-of-star-wars-george-lucas/
Meanwhile, dude can’t write an ounce of human dialogue to save his fucking life. 7 out of the 9 mainline Star Wars movies suck. And speaking about your hero’s journey like you’ve somehow split the atom, when the archetypes involved are so insanely ubiquitous, is peak pretension. It’s all so absurdly reductive.
I agree regarding his dialogue - imo he always shone as the “big picture” guy, who created this incredibly rich world (or sandbox) which he lets others “play in”,
Regarding the rest, I think it’s you who is being reductive. First you claim that the mythological depth of the franchise was “accidental”, now you claim it’s overblown and pretentious, I don’t see how both could be true.
The only reason he’s discussing it is because he was asked about it, after spawning the greatest Epic of the modern world, by basically any metric you want to use
I didn’t read that shit. Because I stopped caring about gay Reddit media analysis when I turned 20.
I always joked with friends/family that Star Wars is a story about two opposing organization getting in between a family man and his family. Anakin betrays the Jedi for the sake of his wife and children and ultimately betrays the Sith for his son who saw not the monster he had become, but the man who desperately fought for his family within. This is evident with how ruthless Vader was in episode 4 only for him to begin to mellow out and even plot against the emperor after he found out his son is alive in episode 5.