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What's Causing Toxic Masculinity? [Freedom Toons] (www.youtube.com)
posted 1 year ago by Gizortnik 1 year ago by Gizortnik +54 / -0
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– CoolAsACucumber 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I think Feminism's overall effort to disincentivize motherhood status, and to promote gender conflict seems to be what's actually happening.

Thats exactly what is happening. Marriage laws and womens rights solidify the problem.

Now muslims may not be having as many kids as 100 years ago but they're certainly having kids and when they invade European countries they have far more kids than the native population. If you dont believe me just go to Germany, France, or Britain.

For this problem of declining birth rates to be believably fixed there needs to be steps. The first step is marriage laws need to be fixed so that men dont have to worry about losing half their fortune being tricked by a whore.

If that doesnt give good results, the next step is quit pretending women are equal to men. Women are only considered equal because men allow it. All men are physically stronger than women by default and it drives the psychology of both as a result. Sometimes women need to be taught a lesson physically. If the woman is being treated wrongly, she'll either have another man defend her or she'll leave. Otherwise, she needs to stick to the details and the men lead with the bigger picture.

No it isn't manly to beat your wife. Yes, sometimes it is called for.

Women do not have a monoploy on deciding the path this civilization (or family) will take. They're treated like they do today and it has had devastating results. The destruction of womens power will cause an enormous screech from women, they will get bonked, and they will stfu or keep getting bonked. This will be the gender war. If there is no gender war, the birth rate will continue to decline and we collapse.

Making IVF cheaper and more available will mitigate some of the extreme measures but at the end of the day, there has to be an incentive for a man to marry a woman and spend the time and effort raising a child. If that doesnt happen, more children will be LGBTQ freakazoids leading to infertility.

So I say, marriage laws being fixed are a necessity.

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– Gizortnik [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Fixing Marriage Laws will not be enough if the sexes are divided culturally against one another. You're addressing only the effect, not the cause. Sure, that can work sometimes, but all you're doing is undoing a structure that doesn't effect healthy relationships. The unhealthy relationships are already prevalent because of the cultural problem.

Corporal punishment towards women isn't ever going to be tolerated. Worse, no, she won't leave if the man is abusive. I can't explain to you how wildly common it is for women to stay with abusers even past the point where their own family is saying, "If you don't leave now you'll be killed". Women aren't men, they aren't going to take the initiative, or recognize their own agency, in the way you expect. As such, it's only going to promote physical abuse, and degrade the value of women.

Women need to be valued in any functioning society. That's actually one of the most important justifications of a family, as it links a woman's value to a man's going forward (preserving her value past her 30's), it allows her posterity to value her, and it promotes a healthy position of social enforcement within a community. Physical abuse inherently lowers the value of the abused. Women are not men, and as such, can not be given as little as a dope slap.

Even arch-misogynists understood this. Like Sean Connery's interview with Barbra Walters. He said it was okay to slap a woman, only when she's been hysterical, and because she will basically end up being attracted to his dominance and control. That's not corporal punishment, it's an assertion of dominance. That's only also going to work with women who are attracted to dark triad traits, which again, is not a behavior you want to promote in women.

No, how women are treated today is obviously not good. They are treated as "Daddy's favorite pretty-pink-princes" well into their 60's. That's obviously infantilizing and pathological. However, there is a better way to treat women than you are promoting.

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– CoolAsACucumber 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Corporal punishment towards women isn't ever going to be tolerated. Worse, no, she won't leave if the man is abusive.

If she won't leave it's because a man finally put her in her place. She finally found someone she respects.

Women need to be valued in any functioning society.

Right now they are far overvalued. They dont need to be valued.

Physical abuse inherently lowers the value of the abused.

That's the point. If you want to fix this overvaluation in time to stop the birth rate collapsing, you need her to know she is of lower value than she perceives.

how women are treated today is obviously not good. They are treated as "Daddy's favorite pretty-pink-princes" well into their 60's. That's obviously infantilizing and pathological. However, there is a better way to treat women than you are promoting.

They have been allowed to get away with murder and DESTROY families, to the effect of destroying Western civilization. If you want to address the question of how to fix birth rates, it starts with taking away the power women have been given. If not, go get cucked by your wife and watch as all the turd world browns outbreed you and take over your country. Watch as your children are mentally and emotionally stunted and you living in a trailer from a nutcase mother who hates you for being a weak man.

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– Gizortnik [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Your idea is that the value of women generally in society should be corrected by devaluing women with violence. That's retarded and evil, and I will be arming them with weapons in their defense against people like you. That is the correct thing to do.

The issue is not devaluing good women to create social justice for men, but in valuing women appropriately, and teaching your daughters to be respectful of men.

Your too worried about wanting to beat women, when Feminism is the actual culprit.

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– CoolAsACucumber 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

For the handful that are good, there are 1000s that will lie and manipulate.

Like I said before, good women who are being wronged will have another man defend them.

Right now this society tends to believe the woman by default even when there is a lack of proof. This is a big part of the problem too because women will lie to gain power.

Women are by default born physically weaker then men and it plays into their psychology. Women will lie to get around being physically weaker. How do you fix the liars? How do you raise a woman to not be a manipulative liar when her mother already is? How do you raise a woman to not be feminist when her mother already is?

You want to fix feminism when its already embedded in the great great grandma to gen A? We've had 4 stages of feminism for over a century and now we're at the clown world point where some men want to cut off a dick and become a woman because they think it'll give them power.

Women follow whoever they perceive has the most power. Right now that is the government so they pander all the time to the government. If you want to fix feminism, the power needs to be established back in the household.

If you want to fix feminism you have to either have all men raise a generation of females all themselves which is unrealistic. Or you have to allow physical boundaries to be set.

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