Archbishop Viganò on the anti-pope's death
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On the one hand, I think he’s right. Tens of thousands (probably much more than that) of people who have had near death experiences report this to be the case.
On the other hand, shouldn’t the pope.. you know.. have catholic views on things?
But how would that even be? If someone ceased to exist, they would have no memory of it when come back from death/near death, etc.
And the Bible talks about Jesus, after his death, journeying to hell (to conquer it).
Exactly. How could they have these experiences? If brain function has ceased how could this be?
It’s actually a super interesting phenomena which I’ve enjoyed researching. Many people have reported seeing things occurring around their dying body as they ascend, that would be impossible for them to know.
One dr got some kind of brain infection that scientifically should have rendered it completely impossible to have any sort of dream/hallucination or similar experience as he lay in a coma with less than 2% chance of survival and he had a vivid experience.
You really need to listen to some to understand. It’s quite compelling
It’s become more common in recent decades as our ability to bring people back from near death has improved greatly
I think a lot of the problem with researching that is that we are trusting the brain to explain something the brain did in a moment of complete panic and losing function.
Its a problem with all Psychology, is that we cannot read minds. So the person has to explain what they saw, filtered through dozens of hoops that is their own brain and its perspectives, beliefs, and limitations. Both as they experienced it and in the recounting.
Its all super interesting stuff, but I think the lot of it is a bird staring at a computer screen. Something we are nowhere near able to comprehend on a level that isn't limited to mostly guesswork by our own brain.
I think it's going to be a really fascinating field of study, just as soon as we gain some humility for how little we actually know, and we can approach the problems without insisting that we definitely already know how it all works, as modern science does.
That's a little unclear, what are you saying you think he's right about?
I'm completely open to near death experiences. Emphasis on near death, though. If you come back to report on it, you didn't complete the process. You don't go to Heaven and come back, as I understand it, nor do you go to Hell and come back. I don't think the tens of thousands of people you mention claim either of those things. So, no matter how interesting the near death phenomenon is, it really can't prove or disprove, Heaven, Hell, or oblivion. If the soul is completely destroyed on death, you're certainly not coming back from that either.
So while there are common themes in near death experiences, it doesn't prove what's in the afterlife one way or another, in my opinion.