There's this thing called reality, where opposing ideas can meet and cause nuance, where more than two things can be true at the same time, and alter sound judgments beyond the false dichotomies that you, the left, and the normie right like to claim.
Reality meets in the middle, between self destructive individualism and self destructive collectivism. The non-normie right aren't pure collectivists. We just acknowledge that collective interests do indeed exist, and must be acknowledged and accounted for, in addition to individual interests, that for a society, or any group, to function properly, the collective and individual interests must be weighed and considered. And, we point out that the normie right has swallowed self destructive individualism too far, and completely abandoned the collective interests of their own (i.e. White people), which has caused nothing but problems.
They're not truly pure collectivists. They are slaves to individualist masters. For example, a pure collectivist would take the blame for bad parts of his collective, and pride himself in the good parts of his collective.
Outside of exclusively the US military, I've never seen this once. No collectivist is ever prepared to take accountability for their collective. That is because their collectivism is a fraud to make gullible people grant them money and power. This is also why the masters can just change the narrative on a dime and use the Useful Idiots as thugish enforcers. It's all a fraud to enrich the leadership, and policy changes are done simply to solidify the leadership's control. There's no actual representation by any collectivist group. In fact, representation in a true collective is nonsense. The collective doesn't represent you. You represent it.
Man, that's weird. You're talking to a realist who embraces the needs of the individual and the collective, and I've explicitly admitted that my side (White people) can and do commit crimes, and many of us share blame in our current plight. And, every single time I've made those comments, even on ConPro, among fellow "Nazis", I get upvoted. Why? Because we embrace truth, no matter how hard it is to accept, and would rather shine the light fully on the problems we face, even if some of that light shines negatively on us. This isn't some rare viewpoint among a niche forum, either. It's widely shared among every single nationalist leader and forum I've ever seen.
A collective doesn't represent you, you represent it, is not meaning: Apex represents Collective X. I'm saying that that's how collectivism works in abstract.
among fellow "Nazis", I get upvoted. Why? Because we embrace truth, no matter how hard it is to accept, and would rather shine the light fully on the problems we face, even if some of that light shines negatively on us.
I've never seen it. Not once. Normally, if something is bad, it's ignored, dismissed, or otherwise cut apart from the collective so that the collectivists reputation isn't harmed.
In fact, ConPro users in this thread claimed the English weren't white and it wasn't worth defending them against the Grooming Gangs. No one takes "collective accountability" outside of the military from what I've seen.
Back when Imp was here, NatSocs were constantly fighting with him over the reputation of white women. White women have terrible opinions by and large, and promote terrible policies by and large, but NatSocs and WN's would always be there to try and defend them.
The inverse was also true. There was no good black, no good jew, no good latino, no good Asian. They were all inferior races, and each person was trash that should be treated as trash, even if they were ostensibly on-side.
As with any other Leftist group, it's excuse after excuse after excuse to make insecure people feel good about being part of a tribe; not realizing they are being used as a weapon by the faction leaders.
There's this thing called reality, where opposing ideas can meet and cause nuance, where more than two things can be true at the same time, and alter sound judgments beyond the false dichotomies that you, the left, and the normie right like to claim.
Reality meets in the middle, between self destructive individualism and self destructive collectivism. The non-normie right aren't pure collectivists. We just acknowledge that collective interests do indeed exist, and must be acknowledged and accounted for, in addition to individual interests, that for a society, or any group, to function properly, the collective and individual interests must be weighed and considered. And, we point out that the normie right has swallowed self destructive individualism too far, and completely abandoned the collective interests of their own (i.e. White people), which has caused nothing but problems.
They're not truly pure collectivists. They are slaves to individualist masters. For example, a pure collectivist would take the blame for bad parts of his collective, and pride himself in the good parts of his collective.
Outside of exclusively the US military, I've never seen this once. No collectivist is ever prepared to take accountability for their collective. That is because their collectivism is a fraud to make gullible people grant them money and power. This is also why the masters can just change the narrative on a dime and use the Useful Idiots as thugish enforcers. It's all a fraud to enrich the leadership, and policy changes are done simply to solidify the leadership's control. There's no actual representation by any collectivist group. In fact, representation in a true collective is nonsense. The collective doesn't represent you. You represent it.
Man, that's weird. You're talking to a realist who embraces the needs of the individual and the collective, and I've explicitly admitted that my side (White people) can and do commit crimes, and many of us share blame in our current plight. And, every single time I've made those comments, even on ConPro, among fellow "Nazis", I get upvoted. Why? Because we embrace truth, no matter how hard it is to accept, and would rather shine the light fully on the problems we face, even if some of that light shines negatively on us. This isn't some rare viewpoint among a niche forum, either. It's widely shared among every single nationalist leader and forum I've ever seen.
That last you there is a generic "you" not you.
A collective doesn't represent you, you represent it, is not meaning: Apex represents Collective X. I'm saying that that's how collectivism works in abstract.
I've never seen it. Not once. Normally, if something is bad, it's ignored, dismissed, or otherwise cut apart from the collective so that the collectivists reputation isn't harmed.
In fact, ConPro users in this thread claimed the English weren't white and it wasn't worth defending them against the Grooming Gangs. No one takes "collective accountability" outside of the military from what I've seen.
Back when Imp was here, NatSocs were constantly fighting with him over the reputation of white women. White women have terrible opinions by and large, and promote terrible policies by and large, but NatSocs and WN's would always be there to try and defend them.
The inverse was also true. There was no good black, no good jew, no good latino, no good Asian. They were all inferior races, and each person was trash that should be treated as trash, even if they were ostensibly on-side.
As with any other Leftist group, it's excuse after excuse after excuse to make insecure people feel good about being part of a tribe; not realizing they are being used as a weapon by the faction leaders.