Second...both sides are partially right, partially wrong, and partially retarded.
To the pro-porn side...I'm rather suspicious of anyone who says how great CP or pseudo-CP is. Obviously. Major warning sign.
To the anti-porn argument here...a lot of issues:
...fails to consider what the AI is going to be trained on to produce the material to begin with.
I mean, there's already plenty of things it could be trained on, and it doesn't have to be real CP.
"but it will stop more children from being abused in the future!" only if you assume that none of the men who watch it will go on to abuse a child themselves, which is wishful retardation at best and malicious retardation at worst.
Worst part of the argument by far, I'd say. Starts with "only if you assume," and then makes a massive assumption. Because, take these people who would go on to abuse a child. The first question is, would they have still abused a child if they hadn't had access to the porn? I'd argue yes. Just like how video games don't make you murder, porn doesn't make you rape. Now, before anyone gets at me, I've said before I'm not a fan of porn. This is not an argument for porn, just an argument against the point that porn and real-world abuse are linked like is being assumed here.
people tend to want to "try out" the things they see in porn after establishing a dopamine connection with whatever they viewed that made them orgasm.
Usually consensual, though. Just like guns and video games don't cause shootings, anyone who is influenced enough to do something heinous, already had screws loose, and would have been triggered by something else anyway. Violent fiction doesn't create violence, and sexual fiction doesn't create rape.
Violent people create violence, and rapists create rape.
all AI child porn would do is 1) normalize the consumption of that content by making it widespread, 2) introduce new audiences to it previously deterred by legal consequences by advertising it as “victimless”, and 3) create an even more lucrative market for the REAL stuff that, like with all other forms of pornography, would need to push the limits to cater to an increasingly depraved audience.
we’d then be stuck in a spiral of increasing tolerance, like with all other pornography.
Inclined to agree here, though. Bad arguments led up to it, but I think the conclusion is still largely correct. Not that there's necessarily any easy stopping it, though, but that's a separate issue.
Just like how video games don't make you murder, porn doesn't make you rape. Now, before anyone gets at me, I've said before I'm not a fan of porn. This is not an argument for porn, just an argument against the point that porn and real-world abuse are linked like is being assumed here.
Porn doesn't make people rape, but it normalized promiscuity. With children, though, all sexual activity is immoral and illegal.
CP does make people rape or rather indulging deviant sexual urges makes you more likely to carry them out in real life. There's plenty of readily available information it so I'm not sure why yall keep trying to use video games as an example for something completely different
They're using the same "logic" eh? Exposure to X will cause an increase in X behavior too. So (they tell us) seeing gun violence in a game makes you carry out gun violence IRL but this is obviously not true.
The thing is? Suppose thou have a "rape fetish" (both males & females can have it, it's not super-rare or anything). You could be encouraged to seek out a consenting adult & good times (hopefully) follow! Not a crime.
However? If you're a MAP you could be encouraged to try to carry out the classic "Lolita" fantasy (aggressive minor wants your 'love') which is ALWAYS illegal.
I toned down my reply after rereading yours. We don't need to compare to video games as an example when we have a shit ton of data on how and why sex offenders offend. It is completely unnecessary because just like we have studies on video games not causing violence we have studies on how deviant sexual arousal does. Watching CP, is the number one indicator of future sexual offense. People do not get less into their fetishist as they indulge in it.
You are correct on your last point. The thing that frustrates me most is people insisting on comparing it to video games because it seems like bad faith
Like there aren't women paedos, eh? Not as many, but they're very real. Homo paedos, both male & female, are far beyond their demographic % in going after the children. 5-6% of the general population is "the gays" (says endless studies, "10%" is a made-up number) but I'd guess 50% of all paedos are same-sex predators.
It's true though. Allowing widespread distribution of CP would normalize it. This is the plan the homosexualists had from the beginning, some 50 years ago.
Yes they would abuse a child if they were given access to cp. Indulging in deviant sexual arousal makes you more likely to offend. Yall keep relying on these retarded comparisons to video games because you don't want to acknowledge the truth. We know video games don't make you more violent just like we know deviant sexual arousal does. There's no need for the false comparison in the first place. It makes it highly suspicious that you would even say this
First: Ew.
Second...both sides are partially right, partially wrong, and partially retarded.
To the pro-porn side...I'm rather suspicious of anyone who says how great CP or pseudo-CP is. Obviously. Major warning sign.
To the anti-porn argument here...a lot of issues:
I mean, there's already plenty of things it could be trained on, and it doesn't have to be real CP.
Worst part of the argument by far, I'd say. Starts with "only if you assume," and then makes a massive assumption. Because, take these people who would go on to abuse a child. The first question is, would they have still abused a child if they hadn't had access to the porn? I'd argue yes. Just like how video games don't make you murder, porn doesn't make you rape. Now, before anyone gets at me, I've said before I'm not a fan of porn. This is not an argument for porn, just an argument against the point that porn and real-world abuse are linked like is being assumed here.
Usually consensual, though. Just like guns and video games don't cause shootings, anyone who is influenced enough to do something heinous, already had screws loose, and would have been triggered by something else anyway. Violent fiction doesn't create violence, and sexual fiction doesn't create rape.
Violent people create violence, and rapists create rape.
Inclined to agree here, though. Bad arguments led up to it, but I think the conclusion is still largely correct. Not that there's necessarily any easy stopping it, though, but that's a separate issue.
Porn doesn't make people rape, but it normalized promiscuity. With children, though, all sexual activity is immoral and illegal.
CP does make people rape or rather indulging deviant sexual urges makes you more likely to carry them out in real life. There's plenty of readily available information it so I'm not sure why yall keep trying to use video games as an example for something completely different
They're using the same "logic" eh? Exposure to X will cause an increase in X behavior too. So (they tell us) seeing gun violence in a game makes you carry out gun violence IRL but this is obviously not true.
The thing is? Suppose thou have a "rape fetish" (both males & females can have it, it's not super-rare or anything). You could be encouraged to seek out a consenting adult & good times (hopefully) follow! Not a crime.
However? If you're a MAP you could be encouraged to try to carry out the classic "Lolita" fantasy (aggressive minor wants your 'love') which is ALWAYS illegal.
I toned down my reply after rereading yours. We don't need to compare to video games as an example when we have a shit ton of data on how and why sex offenders offend. It is completely unnecessary because just like we have studies on video games not causing violence we have studies on how deviant sexual arousal does. Watching CP, is the number one indicator of future sexual offense. People do not get less into their fetishist as they indulge in it.
You are correct on your last point. The thing that frustrates me most is people insisting on comparing it to video games because it seems like bad faith
As always this person is willfully ignoring how many female pedophiles there are and what a huge part of the problem it is.
Well said!
Like there aren't women paedos, eh? Not as many, but they're very real. Homo paedos, both male & female, are far beyond their demographic % in going after the children. 5-6% of the general population is "the gays" (says endless studies, "10%" is a made-up number) but I'd guess 50% of all paedos are same-sex predators.
It's true though. Allowing widespread distribution of CP would normalize it. This is the plan the homosexualists had from the beginning, some 50 years ago.
Yes they would abuse a child if they were given access to cp. Indulging in deviant sexual arousal makes you more likely to offend. Yall keep relying on these retarded comparisons to video games because you don't want to acknowledge the truth. We know video games don't make you more violent just like we know deviant sexual arousal does. There's no need for the false comparison in the first place. It makes it highly suspicious that you would even say this
She immediately cited evidence that porn exposure affects behavior, and yet you're still calling it an assumption... wild.