I don't see why we should give a single fuck about Jackie Robinson's history being sent down the memory hole. The left can just accept history is being updated for a modern audience like what they did when they tore down statues of the founding fathers.
I say we go full book burning zealots and remove every trace of their heroes from the history books, because fuck every single one of them, and they would do and have done the same thing to us. Fuck the moral high ground. I want vengeance.
I do wonder if all the pearl clutching was happening while the left lied about Confederate monuments and took them down? When the left removes books about the civil war if they consider it part of muh "the lost cause mythology."
Only leads to repeating it. Their biggest heroes are goblins like marx and lenin. Leftists are by far the leading cause of war and death in the 20th century. Hiding leftist crimes only benefits them. Let them show themselves for what they are.
What is celebrating "breaking the color barrier" if not celebrating "diversity and inclusion" ?
That said, I prefer the military be overtly hostile to Whites so that it accurately reflects what modern America is, and Whites stay out of the military.
I can sort of see your point, because "breaking the color barrier" sounds suspiciously like the way the media uses "makes history" - the only way history is made is if you're the first X. But it's also about someone who (AFAIK, I know nothing about him) was actually competent - so no diversity in my book.
So let me pose this question: would a book on the Roman struggle of the orders, which among other things led to plebeians being allowed to become consul (and in fact favoritism as at least one of the two consuls had to be a plebeian), also DEI?
Robinson was a good player AFAIK as well, but look what we are talking about. Professional sports is nothing more than entertainment. We can easily do without it or have nothing but Whites playing it or whatever. Black athletes get used to sell bad and destructive ideas about race.
So let me pose this question: would a book on the Roman struggle of the orders, which among other things led to plebeians being allowed to become consul (and in fact favoritism as at least one of the two consuls had to be a plebeian), also DEI?
Probably not since I don't see that bit of history being weaponized against Whites today.
Professional sports is nothing more than entertainment. We can easily do without it or have nothing but Whites playing it or whatever. Black athletes get used to sell bad and destructive ideas about race.
Which is interesting, because for an unfathomable reason, all that 'systemic racism' hasn't made its way to professional sports. Isn't 2/3 of basketball or baseball or something black?
American born black players make up 5% of the MLB. It's frequently criticized for it's lack of American black players. There are black players but most are South American or Caribbean. Baseball and Congress are holding hearings about increasing black players.
The NBA, and it used to be a lot more even, but it’s been like that for a while, in part because a lot of inner city black kids see sports as the only legal way out of the hood
Black athletes get used to sell bad and destructive ideas about race.
There’s a lot of things this entails, but I’m just curious, because I’m always trying to make sure what others think. Are we talking about the usual ghetto bullshit with rap and all the assorted nonsense, or what exactly?
That's part of it, but not really what I had in mind. Black athletes get used to sell the idea that we are missing out on something by not embracing multi-racialism, i.e. "think of wear the NBA without Jordan and Lebron" and those such arguments. Then that gets extended to all walks of life. The other downstream problem is that blacks then start asserting a preference for other blacks to coach them, as is the case in the NFL.
The history of the NBA is weird. In the 70s, no one cared about basketball, to the point where teams were literally kicked out of their arenas and forced to play elsewhere because the arenas prioritized Ice Capades, etc, players were doing drugs on the sidelines, throwing games to their bookies, and all sorts of crazy shit.
David Stern becomes commissioner in 1980 after Earvin ‘Magic’ Johnson and Larry Bird got drafted and decided to use the Celtics/Lakers rivalry to boost them up with marketing, etc, which lead to Michael Jordan getting the deal with Nike. Magic getting HIV and Larry Bird blowing his back out while repaving his neighbor’s driveway forced their early retirements and lead to the juggernaut that was Michael Jordan and the Jordan brand during the 90s, with the shoes everywhere, Space Jam, etc.
LeBron was so good that for the first time ever, ESPN was broadcasting high school basketball games live, specifically for his school, NBA players were going to his games, he was a celebrity at 17 years old.
Black athletes get used to sell the idea that we are missing out on something by not embracing multi-racialism
I understand that you wouldn’t throw water on me if I was on fire, but all I can do is be a productive member of society. I just want to work and go home, and the fact that society has weaponized the past to the point that a certain number of people on the various .win sites (whether they’re genuine or just trolls, I will never know, all I can do is copy/paste or archive comments) would want Smith1850 and I deported even though we were born in this country and are productive members of society sucks ass.
I don't want the integration of blacks forced on me. Talk of deporting blacks or whatever is putting the cart before the horse. Neither of us even control America or are in a position to make any decisions with that. How a changing of the guard happens (assuming it does) will count a lot towards how our future relations play out.
It's not just coaching. It's also QBs. They always complain that racism is behind the glut of white QBs, while not seeing anything wrong with having no white DBs, WRs, etc.
Black people, in general, are self serving. If they dominate it's fine and dandy, if they don't there's a grand conspiracy holding them back.
Meh, Robinson is wholly irrelevant to Annapolis and the Naval Academy, I couldn’t care less if a biography about a baseball player is removed from a naval academy library.
The fact that he served isn’t irrelevant, but he did serve in the Army and not the Navy, correct. The fact that he served is a large part of why the rest of his life happened, but I think overall that the segregation of the Armed Forces during both World Wars is rather relevant to all branches of the military (which I wish they would include the name of the specific book like they did the MLK and Einstein book). I’m probably just overthinking it, but removing this just feels unnecessary.
He got a court martial before deploying, he’s entirely irrelevant considering nothing he did actually benefited or changed segregation in the military. The only reason he is known is as a baseball player, not as a great tank squadron member, not as a shining example of black military service members, he’s a baseball player. If I was to run a naval academy library it would be about the navies historically and what made successful ones, not random biographies and books.
Yeah, which again did absolutely nothing to end segregation in the military. This is basically the Booker versus DuBois debate, who was more impactful on segregation, the men who followed the rules and showcased they were the same, or those that quit and protested?
You know I'm honestly torn on this. The left constantly bans books and calls it curation. They edit books to make them more modern, like with the recent "de-colonizing" Shakespeare.
I find it hard to feel bad when the left gets hoisted on their own petard.
One of the main reasons that I posted this is because if this isn’t malicious compliance, there are people in the government who want to actively bury the past of this country, and you can’t exactly separate race from the rest of the country’s history because a massive part of the US’ history was influenced by it. The history of sports in America pretty much comes down to the history of race in America as well, and so pretending these things don’t exist just really irks me.
Like I said in the post about the DoD article, pretending the past doesn’t exist does nothing but harm for everyone involved, but you can also recognize the past without becoming self-hating like Germany. I think that people absolutely recognize that Germany at some point became self-hating because of de-Nazification, but the same shouldn’t happen to the US. I hope that the end result of all this going over the DEI stuff is instead finding ways to recognize the history of the nation without flagellating white people.
Germany didn't become self-hating by accident. They discarded the nationalism and tried to blame all the crimes of WW2 on it, to cover for the socialism, which they kept.
The near century of propaganda claiming nazis were right wing, ignoring the reality that they were yet another homicidal leftist government, and that WW2 was entirely leftist authoritarians causing problems for everyone, was deliberate.
While your broader point is accurate: Germany was never denazified, except in the East. Adenauer brought in many Nazis / Nazi party members because like the Baath Party, they were essential to running the state.
But at one point, the German state realized that it could silence the German people by citing crimes committed by the German state, which of course meant that you could never criticize the German state later on. The politicians certainly don't hate themselves, in fact, they love themselves too much... to the exclusion of any love for country, family (insofar as they have any) or any principle beside the will to power.
I don't see why we should give a single fuck about Jackie Robinson's history being sent down the memory hole. The left can just accept history is being updated for a modern audience like what they did when they tore down statues of the founding fathers.
I say we go full book burning zealots and remove every trace of their heroes from the history books, because fuck every single one of them, and they would do and have done the same thing to us. Fuck the moral high ground. I want vengeance.
I do wonder if all the pearl clutching was happening while the left lied about Confederate monuments and took them down? When the left removes books about the civil war if they consider it part of muh "the lost cause mythology."
They didn't just remove Robert E. Lee, they melted him down and made a diversity monument out of him.
It's time for payback.
Only leads to repeating it. Their biggest heroes are goblins like marx and lenin. Leftists are by far the leading cause of war and death in the 20th century. Hiding leftist crimes only benefits them. Let them show themselves for what they are.
I don't approve of destroying history. Just teach what the real purpose of mythologizing these "heroes" was.
What is celebrating "breaking the color barrier" if not celebrating "diversity and inclusion" ?
That said, I prefer the military be overtly hostile to Whites so that it accurately reflects what modern America is, and Whites stay out of the military.
He wouldn't even be in the top 20 if he weren't black. It's 100% correct to remove him along with the rest of the DEI accolades.
I can sort of see your point, because "breaking the color barrier" sounds suspiciously like the way the media uses "makes history" - the only way history is made is if you're the first X. But it's also about someone who (AFAIK, I know nothing about him) was actually competent - so no diversity in my book.
So let me pose this question: would a book on the Roman struggle of the orders, which among other things led to plebeians being allowed to become consul (and in fact favoritism as at least one of the two consuls had to be a plebeian), also DEI?
Robinson was a good player AFAIK as well, but look what we are talking about. Professional sports is nothing more than entertainment. We can easily do without it or have nothing but Whites playing it or whatever. Black athletes get used to sell bad and destructive ideas about race.
Probably not since I don't see that bit of history being weaponized against Whites today.
Which is interesting, because for an unfathomable reason, all that 'systemic racism' hasn't made its way to professional sports. Isn't 2/3 of basketball or baseball or something black?
American born black players make up 5% of the MLB. It's frequently criticized for it's lack of American black players. There are black players but most are South American or Caribbean. Baseball and Congress are holding hearings about increasing black players.
The NBA is 70% black.
The NBA, and it used to be a lot more even, but it’s been like that for a while, in part because a lot of inner city black kids see sports as the only legal way out of the hood
Probably basketball, and it's probably more like 3/4. Baseball isn't that black but has lots of Latinos.
There’s a lot of things this entails, but I’m just curious, because I’m always trying to make sure what others think. Are we talking about the usual ghetto bullshit with rap and all the assorted nonsense, or what exactly?
That's part of it, but not really what I had in mind. Black athletes get used to sell the idea that we are missing out on something by not embracing multi-racialism, i.e. "think of wear the NBA without Jordan and Lebron" and those such arguments. Then that gets extended to all walks of life. The other downstream problem is that blacks then start asserting a preference for other blacks to coach them, as is the case in the NFL.
The history of the NBA is weird. In the 70s, no one cared about basketball, to the point where teams were literally kicked out of their arenas and forced to play elsewhere because the arenas prioritized Ice Capades, etc, players were doing drugs on the sidelines, throwing games to their bookies, and all sorts of crazy shit.
David Stern becomes commissioner in 1980 after Earvin ‘Magic’ Johnson and Larry Bird got drafted and decided to use the Celtics/Lakers rivalry to boost them up with marketing, etc, which lead to Michael Jordan getting the deal with Nike. Magic getting HIV and Larry Bird blowing his back out while repaving his neighbor’s driveway forced their early retirements and lead to the juggernaut that was Michael Jordan and the Jordan brand during the 90s, with the shoes everywhere, Space Jam, etc.
LeBron was so good that for the first time ever, ESPN was broadcasting high school basketball games live, specifically for his school, NBA players were going to his games, he was a celebrity at 17 years old.
I understand that you wouldn’t throw water on me if I was on fire, but all I can do is be a productive member of society. I just want to work and go home, and the fact that society has weaponized the past to the point that a certain number of people on the various .win sites (whether they’re genuine or just trolls, I will never know, all I can do is copy/paste or archive comments) would want Smith1850 and I deported even though we were born in this country and are productive members of society sucks ass.
I don't want the integration of blacks forced on me. Talk of deporting blacks or whatever is putting the cart before the horse. Neither of us even control America or are in a position to make any decisions with that. How a changing of the guard happens (assuming it does) will count a lot towards how our future relations play out.
It's not just coaching. It's also QBs. They always complain that racism is behind the glut of white QBs, while not seeing anything wrong with having no white DBs, WRs, etc.
Black people, in general, are self serving. If they dominate it's fine and dandy, if they don't there's a grand conspiracy holding them back.
Sure, he was competent at sportsball, but how is that relevant to the US Navy?
Meh, Robinson is wholly irrelevant to Annapolis and the Naval Academy, I couldn’t care less if a biography about a baseball player is removed from a naval academy library.
The fact that he served isn’t irrelevant, but he did serve in the Army and not the Navy, correct. The fact that he served is a large part of why the rest of his life happened, but I think overall that the segregation of the Armed Forces during both World Wars is rather relevant to all branches of the military (which I wish they would include the name of the specific book like they did the MLK and Einstein book). I’m probably just overthinking it, but removing this just feels unnecessary.
He got a court martial before deploying, he’s entirely irrelevant considering nothing he did actually benefited or changed segregation in the military. The only reason he is known is as a baseball player, not as a great tank squadron member, not as a shining example of black military service members, he’s a baseball player. If I was to run a naval academy library it would be about the navies historically and what made successful ones, not random biographies and books.
The deleted then restored article goes over this, but his court martial was over refusing to sit at the back of the bus.
Yeah, which again did absolutely nothing to end segregation in the military. This is basically the Booker versus DuBois debate, who was more impactful on segregation, the men who followed the rules and showcased they were the same, or those that quit and protested?
You know I'm honestly torn on this. The left constantly bans books and calls it curation. They edit books to make them more modern, like with the recent "de-colonizing" Shakespeare.
I find it hard to feel bad when the left gets hoisted on their own petard.
Not having a book in a government run academic library is pretty far from a ban.
One of the main reasons that I posted this is because if this isn’t malicious compliance, there are people in the government who want to actively bury the past of this country, and you can’t exactly separate race from the rest of the country’s history because a massive part of the US’ history was influenced by it. The history of sports in America pretty much comes down to the history of race in America as well, and so pretending these things don’t exist just really irks me.
Like I said in the post about the DoD article, pretending the past doesn’t exist does nothing but harm for everyone involved, but you can also recognize the past without becoming self-hating like Germany. I think that people absolutely recognize that Germany at some point became self-hating because of de-Nazification, but the same shouldn’t happen to the US. I hope that the end result of all this going over the DEI stuff is instead finding ways to recognize the history of the nation without flagellating white people.
While I understand that Reddit is incredibly left-wing, the comments make me wonder who exactly is working in the various departments going over all the DEI stuff. Is it people who just want to stop the hatred of white people, or what exactly? I’m probably worrying way too much about this, but this just feels super fucking off.
Germany didn't become self-hating by accident. They discarded the nationalism and tried to blame all the crimes of WW2 on it, to cover for the socialism, which they kept.
The near century of propaganda claiming nazis were right wing, ignoring the reality that they were yet another homicidal leftist government, and that WW2 was entirely leftist authoritarians causing problems for everyone, was deliberate.
While your broader point is accurate: Germany was never denazified, except in the East. Adenauer brought in many Nazis / Nazi party members because like the Baath Party, they were essential to running the state.
But at one point, the German state realized that it could silence the German people by citing crimes committed by the German state, which of course meant that you could never criticize the German state later on. The politicians certainly don't hate themselves, in fact, they love themselves too much... to the exclusion of any love for country, family (insofar as they have any) or any principle beside the will to power.
This is another shrieky lie from shrieking liars. They're never going to stop fixating and lying and screaming. It's that simple.
Maybe I'm missing something, but why should the Naval Academy even have books about baseball?